Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I have always believed the FDA never intended for things to go this far. Maybe some e-juice regulation and age controls which most vapers favor and are already in place.
Then the nuts took over.
I think events got away from the FDA.
They'll probably continue with classifieds... this site is based in UK and has members from all over the world.
This is why I believe, eventually, this is not going to play out the way so many think it is. One may be a definitive ruling on how can a product be a tobacco product if it does not contain tobacco?
The nuts took over at the FDA and there was blatant overreach.
Trying to look Down the Road regarding the FDA is Hard to Do. Because even if the Leadership remained the Same, prevailing views can change.
We saw this when "JUULing" became the Catch-Phrase of the day driven by the Media. And Many Drum Beaters in Congress.
Now, the FDA is at a Crossroad. Where Leadership may change again. And that Might be Bad for e-Cigarettes.
Very Bad.
Quick question cause I don't want to start another thread. How is unflavored liquid? Is it enjoyable?
You will get different answers from different people. For me, I hated unflavored while I was MTL vaping. And while DL vaping, it's ok.
I have never understood mouth to lung vs direct lung. Is it just you inhale hold in mouth then breathe to lungs for MTL?
Unfortunately for JUUL, they made changes to the device and pods back in 2017. Thus making them technically illegal for sale in the US.
Yes exactly. Just like how most smoke cigarettes. Direct to lung (DL or DTL) is how others smoke something else we won't mention. I find DL vaping has better and cleaner flavor and requires less nicotine to get you through the day.
Honestly just tried it about a week and a half ago. I mixed some up to use in a pod, to make it last longer. It's not too bad, I've even switched to using the unflavored for a couple tank fills, and then one flavored, then back to unflavored.
Were you a cigarette smoker? If so, then more than likely you used the MTL technique when smoking a cigarette.
Did you ever smoke MJ? If so then you likely smoked it using the DL technique.
Sally loves spinach,
bob hates it, and
Joe likes it only one the 3rd Thursday of April and December...but only raw in a salad.
Only you can say for sure if it's "enjoyable".
A clarification. The email from FDA to Tony Abboud (VTA) I posted yesterday is not an official response to Azim Chowdhury's Citizen Petition. I should have been more clear when I reposted it. Thanks @WorksForMe for reminding me that the Citizen Petition process is not over yet and I apologize for not stating that more clearly.
But it gives insight into their likely response to the petition. I'm not saying to those who haven't signed it, not to. Please do. But I never thought it had much chance from the very beginning. They gave one extension, and I guess they feel that was enough. I've never thought much of the FDA and my SIL works for them. BTW, she vapes.
I disagree, politely, of course.
The nuts (Zeller and co.) wrote the deeming regulations. Nobody in their right mind creates a document so stupid, draconian, massive, cumbersome and prohibitive just for fun. If the FDA intended to just exert some control over the burgeoning "wild West" of vaping, they would have followed EU's TPD or introduced some similar sensible regulations. No, their intent was to kill vaping, period.This administration (Gotlieb in particular) tried to find a more reasonable way out of that debacle, but they failed miserably--at least so far--for many reasons that have already been discussed here ad nauseam.
This is just my opinion, of course.
Yes, it does. And since the timing of that response coincided with the timing of filing the Citizen's Petition, well, I assumed that that would be the outcome. But technically, it's not, and I wanted to make sure everyone understands that.
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