I can definitely do that, but not tonight. I'll have to look up the details of the suits. Its been quite a while since they were originally filed, and my memory is not what it used to be.
I can definitely do that, but not tonight. I'll have to look up the details of the suits. Its been quite a while since they were originally filed, and my memory is not what it used to be.
Before you can talk about winning, let's talk about chances of it seeing the light of day. According to the article, 96-98% of appeals are rejected.
These two articles explain the two lawsuits a little better. The 3 lawsuits in the first article eventually got combined into one. I don't think either one has much chance of winning, but hey, I'm not a lawyer.
3 New Lawsuits Challenge the FDA's Deeming Rule
Big Time Vapes Appeals FDA Lawsuit to the Supreme Court
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"In a letter sent to the FDA on June 7, the Small Business Administration (SBA) Office of Advocacy asked the regulators to seek a court order extending for an additional year the current moratorium on enforcement actions against small vape manufacturers who submitted Premarket tobacco Applications (PMTAs) before last year’s Sept. 9 deadline.
The letter was sent to FDA Acting Commissioner Janet Woodcock and FDA Center for tobacco Products Director Mitch Zeller, and copied to the White House. It was signed by SBA Office of Advocacy Acting Chief Counsel Major L. Clark III. The Office of Advocacy’s mission is to represent the views of small business to Congress, the White House, federal agencies, federal courts, and state policymakers."
SBA Urges Another Year of Sales for PMTA-Submitted Products
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The letter was sent to FDA Acting Commissioner Janet Woodcock and FDA Center for tobacco Products Director Mitch Zeller, and copied to the White House. It was signed by SBA Office of Advocacy Acting Chief Counsel Major L. Clark III. The Office of Advocacy’s mission is to represent the views of small business to Congress, the White House, federal agencies, federal courts, and state policymakers."
SBA Urges Another Year of Sales for PMTA-Submitted Products
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I think with many of them the PACT act was the killing blow. They should all band together and sue the US government in a class action civil lawsuit for the lost money from filing PMTAS that turned out to be meaningless because of the PACT act.
Along with the shipping ban. They don't need a law to ban vaping. They just choke off everything you need to make it viable.
That is what they have been doing since 2006. Killing it slowly. We have been sitting around letting them. Just like a frog in a simmering pot of water.
Yes, many vapers are oblivious. They don't much give a damn about anything. Add that we are severely outnumbered by the other side and we don't have much of a prayer.
There are a lot of American makers of liquid that this could be a lifeline for, as they are going through the PMTA process. A small potential victory in the face of annihilation.
I will be visiting a Mr. E-liquid store to celebrate if this court order comes to pass.
Outnumbered and better funded.
The whole thing sucks.
I just have to disagree that we've been sitting around letting vaping be killed. Look at the many threads and participants in this forum. I have constantly written to the involved politicians and agencies at all levels, have tried to round up vaping and non-vaping friends to back me up by doing the same, have worked with CASAA, have stayed alert and informed, and have supported US vape sellers. You do see it over and over again though, that politicians and so called public health entities are not our friends, never work for us, and use our taxes against us.
Some vapers are oblivious, many are not. Many are vigilant and fighting hard.
"...we don't have much of a prayer."
We always have a prayer. We are spiritually and mentally stronger, more aware, more determined, and, significantly, more honest than those who work against us. Never give up.
I'm not trying to be contentious. Never give up. Keep doing all you can, stay engaged, stay in touch, bring others to awareness, keep going.
Your spirit and aggressiveness is admirable. I mean that. I’m speaking on the whole, not anecdotally. I think you have to look no further than vape shop owners and staff…many of whom had no idea that Deeming even existed.
We on this forum and those in CASAA and other advocacy groups are but a tiny fraction of the country's vapers. Vapers as a whole are rather lackadaisical and ignorant about these matters. Most won't even bother to complain once vaping is gone, but will just pick up their favorite pack of cigarettes.
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