Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Bronze]

It's true. We can see very clearly we are being scr**ed.

You'd think a closet smoker would have some compassion.

 

[The Ocelot]

But proprietary connection, which is a definite plus. For Altria.

I guess adapters would be tobacco products.

 

[Bob Chill]

That is actually one of the few viable paths that I can see, with a few big IF's.

IF a nic base manufacturer is willing to go through the PMTA process to get a nic base product approved for sale to consumers.
IF the FDA were to approve that product.
IF the shops were to only re-sell the product as is from the manufacturer, no repackaging/branding allowed.

Now, whether or not that is a viable business plan, idk.

I've been pondering this quite a bit myself. It's clean, quick, and easy. The winners are the nic distributor(s) and stores lIke walmart and the lIke. Small niche independents stand no chance. tobacco licenses are widespread.

Taxation and strength limits are a certainty in that scenario. And that sucks but nic base is available so the suck factor isn't the end of the world.

 

[mikepetro]

We need these guys on OUR side of the pond!!!!

 

[The Ocelot]

I think what the Shock was, at least for Me, was Not that there would be PMTA Requirements, as you Mentioned, anyone who has Followed this knew that there would be PMTA requirements.

The Shock was that what the FDA has Released is Worse, Much Worse, than what they have Previously Eluded to. And in light of what the UK's Health Ministry have released, the FDA's actions seem to Fly in the Face of Current Science.

I really Wonder if it would be Easier to bring a New Cigarette to Market vs. an e-Cigarette Product?

At this point, would BT need to bring any new cigarettes to market? I saw a vast selection at the convenience store last night.

 

[Bronze]

OK, I was going through some You Tube videos tonight and bumped into this one. Seems appropriate for this thread. In the context of the song (and the movie soundtrack) it portrays what it is like to take our freedoms for granted until they are taken away.

 

[The Ocelot]

He was the 4th Dr. Who 1974-1981 I believe:

He will always be my Dr. Who.

 

[zoiDman]

I posted this idea in the Updates thread. Figured I'd cross-post it since there seem to be more people hanging out here:



FDA Deeming updates - Tuesday May 10th community events

I just contacted Mr. Biden.

Told him that after 25 Years of Smoking, I was able to Quit by using an e-Cigarette. And after 6 years of e-Cigarette use, my Physician is Extremely Happy with my marked Improvement in my over-all Health.

I also Told him how Utterly Disgusted I was with the FDA Deeming Announcement. How Existing Science is being Ignored. And if He (and this Administration) truly wanted to Impact Cancer, they would be viewing e-Cigarettes as the UK Health Ministry is. As Viable Harm Reduction to Smoking.

Submit Your Comments and Questions Online

 

[Wow1420]

Today I got 2 emails from vendors, notifying people about the deeming. (Mountain Oak and Mad Vapes) It was the email from White cloud last week that first alerted me to the deeming release.
Any other vendors using their mailing lists to spread the word?

 

[Lessifer]

Today I got 2 emails from vendors, notifying people about the deeming. (Mountain Oak and Mad Vapes) It was the email from White cloud last week that first alerted me to the deeming release.
Any other vendors using their mailing lists to spread the word?

MBV put up this blog post today:
Mt Baker Vapor’s Official Statement on FDA Deeming Regulations | Mt Baker Vapor

Sounds like they're preparing to fight, and joining with some other big companies. I'm glad to hear it.

 

[The Ocelot]

OK, I was going through some You Tube videos tonight and bumped into this one. Seems appropriate for this thread. In the context of the song (and the movie soundtrack) it portrays what it is like to take our freedoms for granted until they are taken away.

I like the chorus of this one, although it make me very sad. It's the song Johnny Cottonwood used in his video.

 

[Icemanxxxv]

That is actually one of the few viable paths that I can see, with a few big IF's.

IF a nic base manufacturer is willing to go through the PMTA process to get a nic base product approved for sale to consumers.
IF the FDA were to approve that product.
IF the shops were to only re-sell the product as is from the manufacturer, no repackaging/branding allowed.

Now, whether or not that is a viable business plan, idk.

There are wholesalers who are FDA approved already. No repackaging required. Stock shelf and sell?

 

[The Ocelot]

Today I got 2 emails from vendors, notifying people about the deeming. (Mountain Oak and Mad Vapes) It was the email from White cloud last week that first alerted me to the deeming release.
Any other vendors using their mailing lists to spread the word?

I ripped my favorite vendor a new one last night for posting a price increase without explanation. I heard back from them today and was told they are looking at all of the confusing information trying to figure out what to put on their site. (I included the link to CASAA when I wrote to them yesterday.)

The price increase is apparently to generate funds to assist them in navigating the process - I'm guessing legel advice. I know they already have an attorney, since they were sued in 2015 for selling a battery that exploded. I'm not sure of the status of that litigation.

Arlington Man Sets Crotch On Fire, Sues Vape Shop Over Exploding E-Cig Battery

 

[AKs0n-]

We need these guys on OUR side of the pond!!!!

How did this all turn out anyone know?

Tried googling and couldnt find the answer.

 

[bigdancehawk]

Right! ??? Preempts all state authority to determine what a business is. Who died and made FDA king?

Good luck all.

Thomas Jefferson?

 

[Lessifer]

There are wholesalers who are FDA approved already. No repackaging required. Stock shelf and sell?

What do you mean by "FDA Approved?" As far as I know there are no nic base liquids approved as tobacco products per the deeming that hit the federal registry yesterday.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Thomas Jefferson?

Or maybe The Father of our Country George Washington. Who led the troops to put down the whiskey rebellion?

 

[The Ocelot]

Or maybe The Father of our Country George Washington. Who led the troops to put down the whiskey rebellion?

I really dislike Whiskey.

 

[bigdancehawk]

and I don't think "anyone" wrote the rules....looks like a random generating word processor was used to me?

Oh no. This thing is a draconian work of art.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I really dislike Whiskey.

I dare you post that in the other place