Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I'm sorry but I only have enough time to skim the last three pages. I certainly don't wish to sound like a broken record and as this thread gets longer and longer I'm not sure what folks have read.
It's NOT "intended". NOT! PERIOD!
It IS this: “intended or reasonably expected” catch all
Used numerous times in the Final. That's the catch all. A CYA by the desk killers. Arbitrary in nature. Intended to let them interpret anyway they wish BUT the context of the sale is critical. Think Amazon or Joe Quacker Vape Batteries.
From the Final - Page 60 to illustrate:
"Also, as stated
earlier, nicotine-free e-liquid that is
intended or reasonably expected to be
used with or for the human
consumption of tobacco products in
most cases would be a component or
part of a tobacco product and, therefore,
within the scope of this rule. These
products will be evaluated on a case-by case
basis."
So go ahead and put a "not intended" label on your skew, on any kind of deemed vape stuff you wish and then unfortunately get ready for a knock knock at the door.
Stay Strong! Fight!
It's NOT "intended". NOT! PERIOD!
It IS this: “intended or reasonably expected” catch all
Used numerous times in the Final. That's the catch all. A CYA by the desk killers. Arbitrary in nature. Intended to let them interpret anyway they wish BUT the context of the sale is critical. Think Amazon or Joe Quacker Vape Batteries.
From the Final - Page 60 to illustrate:
"Also, as stated
earlier, nicotine-free e-liquid that is
intended or reasonably expected to be
used with or for the human
consumption of tobacco products in
most cases would be a component or
part of a tobacco product and, therefore,
within the scope of this rule. These
products will be evaluated on a case-by case
basis."
So go ahead and put a "not intended" label on your skew, on any kind of deemed vape stuff you wish and then unfortunately get ready for a knock knock at the door.
Stay Strong! Fight!
And so it just keeps going and going. Extends to vapers also. 
Tax measure could cause financial jolt to California smokers
And they got names wrong. Gregory Conley NOT George. sheezz.
Tax measure could cause financial jolt to California smokers
And they got names wrong. Gregory Conley NOT George. sheezz.
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My take on that is, unless your 0mg nic comes in a sealed device that has no chance of being tampered with(read have nicotine added to it), it will be considered a component of a tobacco product.
Kids are so cute, too bad they grow out of that stage pretty fast. I saw some gorgeous little babies today, but I got picked by an older one. Literally picked. The rancher was pointing out different goats in the herd when one wouldn't stop staring at me. We both noticed it. As I walked around the pen she watched me, coming a little closer each time. When I sat down to watch the kids play she came up for me to pet her and that was it. She wouldn't leave my side. She followed me everywhere and cried when I went out the gate.
It was a little awkward, since she was one they wanted to keep, but the lady laughed and shrugged. The goat had made it very clear she wanted to go home with me.
This thread has gone to the goats, lol. Guess we need to interject some fun in this dismal, depressing topic. Some of my friend's goats:
I've had a couple of Nubians over the years. If you've never petted one, their ears are amazingly soft!
My sister and her husband had two goats, for the same purpose, weed control.
She said her's were mean. Have you experienced that, because I always thought I'd love to have a few goats, if we ever get back out in the country.
Im not wrong, you just missed the point completely thats all.You are still wrong, you have assigned the bullet as the killer, That bullet would still be nestled neatly in the chamber if THE KILLER had not operated the gun/trigger. A tool, no hammer no house. Using your line of reckoning, I have a fail safe way to end all deaths caused by drunken drivers. End production of gasoline! No gas no vehicle moving fast enough to harm anyone, a drunk can only push a car so fast.
It was only to indicate "perspective", not to make some statement about guns in general.
And the colorful glass pipes in the store could be "intended or be reasonably expected" to be used for something that would render it capable of getting you real jail time, if it were found in your car, BUT YOU CAN STILL BUY THEM.
What the FDA SAYS they can do, what you THINK they can do, and what the FDA can ACTUALLY do are three very different things.
Calm down.
The only things they're actually in any position to do anything about are liquid nicotine-containing products, and things that actually say e-cigarette or vape-blah-blah on them.
Even if they managed to raid a store that just happened to specialize in the rather eclectic product lines of high-end flashlights, cake flavorings, leather etching supplies....and colorful tobacco pipes, they would lose in court.
Dual-use markets have always existed, and they can't do anything about it. This is why domestic terrorists buy their gear from RadioShack and Farmers Supply instead of KaboomPro.com.
The only things that are going to disappear are eliquids with nic, and the gas station clearomizer kits.
What the FDA SAYS they can do, what you THINK they can do, and what the FDA can ACTUALLY do are three very different things.
Calm down.
The only things they're actually in any position to do anything about are liquid nicotine-containing products, and things that actually say e-cigarette or vape-blah-blah on them.
Even if they managed to raid a store that just happened to specialize in the rather eclectic product lines of high-end flashlights, cake flavorings, leather etching supplies....and colorful tobacco pipes, they would lose in court.
Dual-use markets have always existed, and they can't do anything about it. This is why domestic terrorists buy their gear from RadioShack and Farmers Supply instead of KaboomPro.com.
The only things that are going to disappear are eliquids with nic, and the gas station clearomizer kits.
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What is the dual use of a mixture of pg/vg/flavoring? Not arguing, curious.
Will it be around, probably yes. Will it be a sustainable business model that is accessible to your everyday vaper? idk, but it doesn't seem likely.
I've never personally encountered a mean goat, although I know they are out there. Mine have ranged from cuddle bugs to ones that didn't like to be touched. The only goat I every rehomed was a Nubian, but it wasn't because he was mean. He had been babied too much when he was bottle-fed (not by me) and never learned the meaning of personal space. Being crowded by a 120 pound animal is annoying. He would bug me so much that I would flip him on his back, sit on his belly, get in his face and remind him that I was the predator. Afterward he would behave for a few hours.
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pg/vg flavor base? For use with the advanced personal perfume atomizers they also sell. What else?
Again, consider what they can actually do. You can buy a water .... from the same stores who sell most of this stuff.
If ready-made ejuice, and the cheap, convenient starter packs go away, it will do plenty of damage. I'm not, by any means, saying that these regs won't be devastating. I'm just saying it's going to affect a very narrow (albeit critical) slice of the market.
Again, consider what they can actually do. You can buy a water .... from the same stores who sell most of this stuff.
If ready-made ejuice, and the cheap, convenient starter packs go away, it will do plenty of damage. I'm not, by any means, saying that these regs won't be devastating. I'm just saying it's going to affect a very narrow (albeit critical) slice of the market.
The eLiuids with nic is 1/2 of what we're fighting for ... and your last statement is ... The only things that are going to disappear are eLiquids with nic
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