Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I get it. We're not in disagreement.
I said it would "only" have the "narrow" effect of eliminating nic-juices and kits, because the merry-go-round discussion had rotated back to "where am I going to be batteries", and "it'll only be cigalikes, no modern tanks", again.
I've acknowledged, multiple times, that it will be devastating to the industry, and make it difficult for current smokers to switch over.
My point, rather, was that, even though the regs spell out how the FDA thinks it can regulate toe-nail clippers and poodle shampoo, the only thing it can effectively police is nic-juice and turn-key kits made for "vaping".
The optimistic side of me was hoping for this all along. Logically, it makes no sense to lump cigs and ecigs in the same bucket for regulatory purposes. I and millions of vapors were all thinking that way over the last 2 years. We all assumed the facts and overwhelming anecdotal evidence would sway the minds of the decision makers.
But what we got was a giant middle finger squarely in the face. Very disappointing to say the least. I've been irritable since the announcement and I'm a very relaxed and upbeat person. My screen name is actually my nickname for the last 20 years. I might need to change it to Bob Madasfreekinhell.
I'm holding out hope that something logical and reasonable will break our way over the next 90 days to 2 years. I'm growing more skeptical of that by the day and it really sucks.
On FOXNews this afternoon: ‘Deadline’ nears for Obama admin to issue last big batch of regs | Fox News
Near the end of the article is the part that especially caught my eye:
"At the same time, trying to rescind a rule under the Congressional Review Act is rarely successful. Many have tried but only one administration has successfully nixed a rule in this way, according to Batkins.
President George W. Bush, with a GOP-led Congress, in 2001 repealed an Occupational Safety and Health Administration ruling by the Clinton administration on workplace ergonomics.
“The … rule would have cost both large and small employers billions of dollars and presented employers with overwhelming compliance challenges,” Bush said at the time."
The bolded part -- this could be our salvation, if Congress can be made to see it our way in the next 60 days.
Near the end of the article is the part that especially caught my eye:
"At the same time, trying to rescind a rule under the Congressional Review Act is rarely successful. Many have tried but only one administration has successfully nixed a rule in this way, according to Batkins.
President George W. Bush, with a GOP-led Congress, in 2001 repealed an Occupational Safety and Health Administration ruling by the Clinton administration on workplace ergonomics.
“The … rule would have cost both large and small employers billions of dollars and presented employers with overwhelming compliance challenges,” Bush said at the time."
The bolded part -- this could be our salvation, if Congress can be made to see it our way in the next 60 days.
Elect the Donald?
I am a proud trumpster.... I just feel he is too pro business to allow a growing business this large to fail
I totally agree. The vape industry has put millions of people back to work in a time when the rest of the economy was failing poorly. Now they want to put them back on the unemployment lines?
This country is not out the economic struggle yet but this would do harm to the progress forward on so many levels.
eta.....I am not avocating either party as I am an independent, but Bush(R) was all about business......Obama(D)...all about government. Not so sure Obama will see it the same way.
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Bill Would Require FDA to Evaluate Chemicals in Cosmetics for the First Time Ever
“The goal is to give somebody who buys a product, eventually, the knowledge that there’s nothing in that product which in five years can cause you cancer or can disrupt your endocrine system,” says Senator Feinstein.
“The goal is to give somebody who buys a product, eventually, the knowledge that there’s nothing in that product which in five years can cause you cancer or can disrupt your endocrine system,” says Senator Feinstein.
Interesting discussion about Cole-Bishop vs. HR2058.
Turns out that even our leaders don't quite understand the provisions of the bills.
But it looks like they will issue a new CTA (supporting Cole-Bishop) at the best time for it to be most effective.
Fingers crossed.
I have just officially become a single-issue voter. Congratulations, FDA!
And I'm a registered Democrat.
I haven't seen it happening everywhere, but yes, it's probably related.
Honestly, I don't think so. That wouldn't make much sense - you sell juice or you don't, reg-wise. Vendors are cutting that back because it RAPIDLY dropped in sales - more and more of their customers are using "subohm" type tanks and buying 6 or 3 mg. Not only more OF them, but they buy more JUICE... You might go through 3 or 4 mls a day of 24, while someone else goes through 16-20 mls a day of 6.
I'm so moderate in my political thinking that I usually refrain
from saying any political opinion, cuz everyone just assumes
I'm at the opposite side of whatever they are. However I
decided sometime last year which way I would be voting from
then until sometime way into the future. So sick of government
over reach and politicians that just throw us a bone once in awhile
to keep us quiet, or throw out some stupid subject to have us
all arguing amongst ourselves while they vote themselves a
bigger pension. Enough government.
from saying any political opinion, cuz everyone just assumes
I'm at the opposite side of whatever they are. However I
decided sometime last year which way I would be voting from
then until sometime way into the future. So sick of government
over reach and politicians that just throw us a bone once in awhile
to keep us quiet, or throw out some stupid subject to have us
all arguing amongst ourselves while they vote themselves a
bigger pension. Enough government.
I've been saying this all along. HR2058 has pure party lines written all over. It was dead before the ink dried. And the Cole amendment may have originated in bi-partisan spirit but it certainly wasn't passed that way. There are some pretty influential "Nays" on that one.
Nope. Our best hope is a favorable judge.
We're what, 2 weeks in and no formidable plan from our fearless leaders?
Many of us have been emailing/calling/writing to our senators/reps for
a long time now, and followed every CTA, begged and pleaded, etc. etc.
etc. and they just flipped us all off like we weren't even here.
I'm especially ticked about all the work I and others did in Indiana and
with Governor Pence there, and he just ignored every last one of us.
This has to go as far as it can in a court system.
Many of us have been emailing/calling/writing to our senators/reps for
a long time now, and followed every CTA, begged and pleaded, etc. etc.
etc. and they just flipped us all off like we weren't even here.
I'm especially ticked about all the work I and others did in Indiana and
with Governor Pence there, and he just ignored every last one of us.
This has to go as far as it can in a court system.
I think they call that particular chemical compound H2O. Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ms. Feinstein wanted to regulate water, as well.
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