If you continue to vote for the group in power expect more of the same. Voting in the same corrupt groups gets us where we are. All they want is your money, this week they call it as what's best for you. Next week maybe it will be salt /sugar /potato chips/meat/the lovely gmo chemicals the establishment loves. It is time for people to wake up and research what these moneygrubbers stand for. Alas I fear it's too late. the public is so dumbed down they can barely make a decision on their own. Greed has destroyed the us. Now only corporations are people.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Someone msg me some good black market sources. Would Canada be in that list? Hope so.
I'm being serious.
I'm being serious.
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No trouble buddy, I just ordered $1,000 of vape supplies today and I lost my job last month, so I get it! Peace.
I'd be interested in some Mexican sources. Nogales is right down the road from me.
ETA: I'm serious as well. I already go to the pharmacia for certain things that should be sold over the counter here, (e.g. antibiotics, modafinil), but are available by prescription only in the US, because of the damned FDA.
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Can't like this post...I'm so sorry you lost your job man. Peace and blessings to you my friend.
K goodnight for real now, lol
Just found this as a top story on (un-personalized) Google News; good to see help coming from unexpected places:
The FDA’s Vaporous Thinking About E-Cigs
The FDA’s Vaporous Thinking About E-Cigs
I believe that is Referred to as "Bridging" in the PMTA for ENDS Guidance.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/UCM499352.pdf
I agree with Rossum. There will be no vape police going after end users. Not a chance. It's all about manufacturing and selling. There is no law against building your own mod and using it. Making legally purchased hardware illegal to use after the 2 year window isn't happening either. If you have a life supply of gear you can use it until you die (assuming you can still find juice to put in it) and nobody will care
Just like brewing beer. You can brew up a keg of the finest IPA in your kitchen and drink it all day until you're wasted. But you can't bottle it and sell it or you are committing a crime.
Just like brewing beer. You can brew up a keg of the finest IPA in your kitchen and drink it all day until you're wasted. But you can't bottle it and sell it or you are committing a crime.
Sure, but Dekang is already registered with the FDA. That's a start. The FDA has approved their manufacturing facility and their process. From there, they just have to meet any new standards.
OTOH, smaller juice makers in the US will have a hard time meeting costly regulations and standards. After all, if you are a mom and pop business, the FDA could easily make your juice sales a losing proposition.
I was just mentioning that the large juice makers will survive this thing much more easily. It's going to be a tough road for small juice makers.
Hardware makers have two years to apply for and gain FDA certification. So, we all have a while to stock up on hardware and learn how to DIY.
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I've been waiting for this comment and sorry if it's been mentioned already as I didn't read all 27 pages here on ecf but I read it the same way.. After August 8,2016, no new products..
I think this link has some really important information how the regs affect vape stores, import/export and manufacturing. Vaporizers, E-Cigs, and other Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS)
It provides some easier to understand verbiage of the regs but also exposes some more ominous stuff that is not apparent in the 400+ page document..
This part,
Manufacturers
will kill a lot of liquid e-liquid manufacturers.. Good and bad in my opinion because there is a complete disregard or lack of knowledge with some manufacturers to provide correct labeling, testing and child resistant caps. These are the basics that the non-diy crowd should be demanding.
Another part in the original link: registration of facilities and liquids by December 31, 2016 will also bust a bunch of e-liquid companies..
The most troubling part about hardware for me however is this part:
Importing & Exporting
The effective date of this is unclear (to me).. Could be August 8th, 2016 or later? But this effectively stops all import of e-cigs as we'd go back to the mis-labeled or adulterated product game because nothing would have approval by the effective date by my best guess. E-cig shipments from China would be stopped and seized or sent back. Imports of tanks, mods, extracts, all considered as tobacco products, would be stopped. But what about if they are used for other purposes? Still legal to import? Who knows..
One last thought.. and I may be reading into this a little too much but by Jan 2018, all labels will be required to read,“WARNING: This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.”, if the product has nicotine or “This product is made from tobacco.”, if it contains no nicotine.. Makes me think that since flavors can't be regulated yet, that this labeling requirement is pre-planning for a potential tobacco and menthol flavors only future..
My head hurts..
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Just an FYI.
Mr. Zeller was on the PBS Newshour tonight. The Interviewer did a Good Job of asking Balanced and Intelligent Questions. Unfortunately, Mr. Zeller seemed to take a purely Regulatory "Company Line" in his answers. And Deflected many times by playing the "Save the Children Card".
Skyrocketing teen use of e-cigarettes leads to new regulations
Mr. Zeller was on the PBS Newshour tonight. The Interviewer did a Good Job of asking Balanced and Intelligent Questions. Unfortunately, Mr. Zeller seemed to take a purely Regulatory "Company Line" in his answers. And Deflected many times by playing the "Save the Children Card".
Skyrocketing teen use of e-cigarettes leads to new regulations
Well, the ATF, IRS, and EPA all fall under the direct control of the POTUS. They are not independent organizations that operate outside of the government, they are government entities that are under the direct command and control of the POTUS.
So if you want to know who ordered all of those things, it was Obama.
That's typical. Don't say anything in front of a camera that hasn't been approved by superiors for public consumption. Everyone answers to someone higher up until it gets to POTUS.
Someone needs ro reign the FDA azzholes in and tell them to read the Declaration of Independence. I am so angry I could spit bullets!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah. Mr. Zeller wasn't exactly Bubbling with Information. And looked like he had been Barraged with Questions for about the last 10 Hours.
Wow! You must be as old as me! Far Out!
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