And that ain't even counting the intentional ones!
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Have you considered that this might actually be Leviathan's strategy -- to make the taxes that they really want seem much more palatable in comparison to the defacto ban that is the dooming regulations?
Although I don't think they're heavily taxed, the price of other NRT products is already pretty dang high --- comparable to the cost of smoking.
I base it on past cases. I think these regulators know they are not going to get all they want (due to administration change, legislation, or litigation). So they ask for more and settle for less.Man I wish I could make myself believe youse guis thinking this is gonna work out are right, but alas so far you're basing it on the misconception of common sense prevailing! That scares the beejeezus outta me!
You mean, like taking a thriving industry that would have been so easily brought into the tax scheme, and decimate it via ridiculously impossible to comply with regulations. It's actually kind of laughable if you look at it in those terms. One hand of government wanting so badly to tax a growing industry, and the other hand of government off on a zealous quest killing that same thriving industry.
Sorry, but you'll have to wait until August. The point is to bring it to market right after the regs go into effect, when according to the regs, it would require a PMTA if it actually were a tobacco product.where is my damm order form???
I sent Senator Johnson a thank you thing. I'm all for "hope" and for everyone to continue fighting for our rights in a manner and fashion of their choosing.
Having said that, perhaps the following slice of data will add some measure of texture to some views of Senator Johnson. He is running for reelection in 11/16:
"The 2016 United States Senate election in Wisconsin will take place on November 8, 2016, to elect a member of the United States Senate to represent the State of Wisconsin, concurrently with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, as well as other elections to the United States Senate in other states and elections to the United States House of Representatives and various state and local elections.
Incumbent Republican Senator Ron Johnson is running for re-election to a second term in office. Former U.S. Senator Russ Feingold, who Johnson narrowly unseated in the 2010 midterm Tea Party wave, is seeking a rematch for a fourth non-consecutive term in office.[1]" Source
I remain very very skeptical of his move, given the fact that he is running for reelection, I could argue that his real motive is publicity and using this publicity to enhance his re election campaign. Even though I thanked him. Even though I support and admire all those who see a measure of hope in this action.
Respectfully yours,
SeniorBoy aka "takin it to the streets" /lol /joke
EDIT: I even have a theme song: "Takin' It To The Streets"
/a little humor to brighten your day
Having said that, perhaps the following slice of data will add some measure of texture to some views of Senator Johnson. He is running for reelection in 11/16:
"The 2016 United States Senate election in Wisconsin will take place on November 8, 2016, to elect a member of the United States Senate to represent the State of Wisconsin, concurrently with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, as well as other elections to the United States Senate in other states and elections to the United States House of Representatives and various state and local elections.
Incumbent Republican Senator Ron Johnson is running for re-election to a second term in office. Former U.S. Senator Russ Feingold, who Johnson narrowly unseated in the 2010 midterm Tea Party wave, is seeking a rematch for a fourth non-consecutive term in office.[1]" Source
I remain very very skeptical of his move, given the fact that he is running for reelection, I could argue that his real motive is publicity and using this publicity to enhance his re election campaign. Even though I thanked him. Even though I support and admire all those who see a measure of hope in this action.
Respectfully yours,
SeniorBoy aka "takin it to the streets" /lol /joke
EDIT: I even have a theme song: "Takin' It To The Streets"
/a little humor to brighten your day
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Well I have from the get go believed wholeheartedly that it was all money oriented, just havn't really thought of ALL the ways they are frothing at the mouth planning to collect it.
Others have had similar thoughts before:When there are so many laws on the books that no man knows at any time if he is in violation of a particular law, there is in fact, no law, just lawlessness.
HaHa, I just made that up
“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
-- Ayn Rand
I wouldn't even mention a thing about nicotine...nada...total separation.
NOT ANOTHER DIME !
NOT ONE DIME !
The art of negotiating! I pray that is it for all the yet to be vapors!
they basically want vaping products that are successful with helping folks quit smoking ... off the market.
it's not the children they are trying to protect ... it is their smoking customers they are trying to keep smoking.
the regs are as simple and straight forward as that
it's not the children they are trying to protect ... it is their smoking customers they are trying to keep smoking.
the regs are as simple and straight forward as that
Yep, the cost of the NRT's on the shelf at my local Wal-Mart always deterred me from even trying them back when I was a smoker. Hmm-a $6.00 pack of smokes or a $35.00 box of patches? I stuck with the devil I knew! Of course now, I've spent tons on vaping, but vaping is fun and pleasurable. Nic gum made me dizzy the one time I tried it. It definitely wasn't fun!
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson
they basically want vaping products that are successful with helping folks quit smoking ... off the market.
it's not the children they are trying to protect ... it is their smoking customers they are trying to keep smoking.
the regs are as simple and straight forward as that
Not giving up hope, but we're going around in circles about two pieces of legislation that at BEST lock the status quo, and practically halt any further development. The oversight committee may be able to help, but Congressional action takes time, that we don't really have
I honestly feel like they targeted the vaping industry so specifically, that the surveys we've been filling out are bought and paid for by the FDA or BT.
We thought we were helping our cause and each other, but we were giving them the blueprints of our own doom.
You might think it's impossible, but the FDA regs are a VERY clear indication that money talks.
We thought we were helping our cause and each other, but we were giving them the blueprints of our own doom.
You might think it's impossible, but the FDA regs are a VERY clear indication that money talks.
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