Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Oh, no argument from me there. All I'm saying is that they have a very real defense against the "onerousness" of the regulations, they are the tobacco control act regulations, they've simply expanded them to include e-cigs. You and I know and understand what that means, legally though, I'm not sure if there's a case to be made. I'm not a lawyer though.
Not hearing other than condemning, Did I miss the Grand Solution?
Who the Hell is Mr E. Wolf?
His information is not even current.
The Cole Bill has not Budged since April(?) 2015
ALA has acted against every e-cig positive action at every turn.
VTA is hardly the only Lobby concerned with publishing a new Predicate date.
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I think he's looking at it wrong. The situation we currently have is that every product now on the market has a death sentence, with an execution date in 2018. If the product maker has millions to put into PMTAs, then then he gets a stay until 2019 and an appeal in an extraordinarily unsympathetic court. Cole-Bishop gives an immediate indefinite stay for everything currently on the market, with some future regulations on batteries. Regulations on batteries are easy to work around. If Cole-Bishop has a prayer of becoming law, we'd be crazy not to support it, especially since HR 2058 seems dead in the water at present.
If someone can make a case that the battery regulation language in Cole-Bishop somehow leads to nothing but closed systems when all the open atties that available today are grandfathered and can be produced and sold forever, I'd sure like to hear it.
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And to assist others wondering about VTA
an Introduction to a member of VTA
Patricia Kovacevic
General Counsel &
Chief Compliance Officer
Nicopure Labs, LLC
BOARD MEMBER
Vapor Technology Association
Am I a Supporter............No, I follow guidance of CASAA and a few others. However I do believe many of these folks INFIGHTING have our best interest(and theirs) at heart and they think THEY EACH have the correct answers.
I was just reading the recent CTA regarding what's going on the the UK - that the law may be repealed. WTH? And then I'm thinking to myself, do the governments of this world have nothing better to do than to give a rat's #$# about vaping? But then I thought, oh yeah, it's all about money.
Also thinking, where is the child-proof safety packaging on cigarettes? Oh, I guess they are exempt from that. I am literally so sick of government controlling our lives - my plan is to do whatever I please - it's no wonder that people disobey laws and cheat on their taxes.
Also thinking, where is the child-proof safety packaging on cigarettes? Oh, I guess they are exempt from that. I am literally so sick of government controlling our lives - my plan is to do whatever I please - it's no wonder that people disobey laws and cheat on their taxes.
ZM, I just stole the link to "The Letter" from your sig line to share with others. I knew that you would not mind
ZM, I just stole the link to "The Letter" from your sig line to share with others. I knew that you would not mind
That's why I put it there. So People could Steal it.
Thank you Salem.
They are using the same tactics and strategies that they used back in the 30's to crush another threat to free trade and certain interests wealth, with the same effect. Only this time too many people have information at their fingertips. The emperor wears no clothes and though the general population is buying it, the truth will not get buried for a couple generations this time around.
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Jennie (Johnson Creek Enterprises)
May 23, 8:47 AM
Thank you for your email. We understand. We started using the term "smoke juice" in 2008 long before this debate started. At that time we felt it was important to use a different term. "E-liquid" meant juice coming from overseas and our product was manufactured in the USA. We were the first to make it here. Additionally, vaping hadn't been accepted as its own thing. It was just an alternative to smoking. Vaping terminology was rudimentary and highly variable. If it wasn't clearly presented as alternative to smoking, then consumers didn't get it. This is why ECF went with "electronic CIGARETTE forum" and SMOKtech used "SMOK", and many others who were formed pre-2010 used that kind of terminology. Interestingly, when we first started operating, vaping was so new that people would contact us asking how they'd use our e-liquids in their meat smokers. We spent a lot of time explaining what vaping was.
Times have changed. Vaping is now vaping in and of itself and the terminology has homogenized. We started the transition away from the word "smoke" roughly a year ago. You can read more about the transition here: http://smokejuice.tumblr.com/post/121672624614/the-spirit-of-johnson-creek
It takes a while to shift branding. If we do it too abruptly then customers get confused and we've dealt with some confusion and anger from our regular customers already. Some social media sites allow users to change their names and we've done that. Some don't allow that kind of change and we may be stuck with the old username. We're switching all e-mail addresses and the URL of the website to JCVC (Johnson Creek Vapor Company) and we're rolling out a variety of new labels.
You can see a new label here: https://www.johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com/shop/e-liquid/jc-white-russianhtml
When a flavor gets a new label we're updating the graphics. If you see "smoke juice" on a page, let me know. I've not updated all of the copy yet, but I think I've fixed most of it. I think there are some pages related to cartomizers that may still use the term. Cartomizer users are very reluctant to change.
Know that we are completely rebranding and it's going to take some time, but we'll get there.
Do you know if ECF will be changing their name? I'm not sure I could get accustomed to calling it EVF and the "electronic viewfinder" groups may not appreciate the conflation.
Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you. Have a great rest of your day!
Customer Relations Specialist
Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC
Office: (800) 280-0775
Email: support@smokejuice.com
Web: www.smokejuice.com
Interesting - maybe ECF should change their name and get rid of the reference to "cigarette". Hadn't thought of that.
A year or two ago (I don't remember when actually, just kind of guessing) there was a thread regarding that topic. It got pretty heated and lengthy...
I'm all for Oliver doing as he sees fit with His Forum. Should he change it or leave as is, I'm here.
All that came from Kodiak's post of the Smoke Free Radio program from Phil Busardo's Taste Your Juice page with seviausa.org, Dimitris and his comments that tobacco companies support Cole/Bishop.
Around 21:40 into the show.
http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/12988
So basically, seviausa likely one of our best hopes, Phil, Dimitri et al are "naïve" or worse, according to many here.
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It's very...ummmm...leaf like...NOT an appropriate choice and quite offensive and degrading.
You guys are reading too much into it. First off there are too many "leaves". Look a little less tainted at it and you'll see that it's a poor attempt at making the vapor look like a firework. Goes along with the RWB atty/mod. Just overall poor execution of a rather unique idea.
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