Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I won't...
I am so sick of thelies that are being fed to the public about e-cigarettes.
We're just a bunch of pathetic addicts, Classy. You and me and choochoogranny...
That was mean.
Stephen Colbert did a nasty attack, seemingly out of nowhere, a while back. ANTZ style misinformation. Rather high on the hypocracy scale, since he often glorifies drinking on his show, and even gets drunk with guests, sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMtGca_7leM
We're just a bunch of pathetic addicts, Classy. You and me and choochoogranny...
Ya know...I work in an office that is 2 family businesses side by side.
I have 1 co-worker and boss in our part and 3 that work in the other office.
I vape at work. They gave me e-liquid for my birthday.
They get vaping...I never had to say anything at all.
The reason I mention this is that it gives me hope that there are more out there like them.
Doesn't seem like anyone's been willing to shell out the $11.00 they want to see how they mishandled the topic.
If you need a legal intended use, just say it's a flavored water enhancer.
Also, not directed at you, I take a day or two off and I have hours of reading before I catch up...
I have some flavor concentrates that haven't suited my tastes for vaping, but are great added to cereal.
Two things, BT definitely had a hand in writing the regs, because they had a hand in writing the original regs(for cigarettes) that these regs are based on. They also likely had influencing meetings on this draft, though I'm sure they didn't get everything they wanted either. Their closed system products are the most likely to get approved, but there is no guarantee they will be. Vuse may have to lose a few of their new flavors.
Also, I keep seeing comments that the FDA is asking for more than they expect to get. Where is this idea coming from? They're done asking, these aren't another rough draft that has to get approval. The approvals have been received, these are the FINAL deeming regs. Yes, they could be changed by Congressional action, or a lawsuit may bring some things into question, but this is past the negotiating point if there ever was one.
IMO I don't see much point in fighting the regs on the grounds of how onerous they are. They are essentially identical to the cigarette regs, and the tobacco industry survived. The only point of contention that we have is that vapor products do not pose the same public health risks, the FDA admits they don't have sufficient data to prove risk, and therefore should not be subject to the same kind of regulation.
Also, I keep seeing comments that the FDA is asking for more than they expect to get. Where is this idea coming from? They're done asking, these aren't another rough draft that has to get approval. The approvals have been received, these are the FINAL deeming regs. Yes, they could be changed by Congressional action, or a lawsuit may bring some things into question, but this is past the negotiating point if there ever was one.
IMO I don't see much point in fighting the regs on the grounds of how onerous they are. They are essentially identical to the cigarette regs, and the tobacco industry survived. The only point of contention that we have is that vapor products do not pose the same public health risks, the FDA admits they don't have sufficient data to prove risk, and therefore should not be subject to the same kind of regulation.
That's what I thought.
I think you've been spot on with your comments. I was so far behind when you were shot down, was that yesterday??..for me to have posted anything would have looked silly. But, since it's come up, I'm going to put in my two cents.
There is a LOT of money fighting our right to vape. I don't know if anyone actually looked at the list of lobbyists, and the sheets they file, (from that link the other day...not sure that I saved it)...but it honestly, it took my breath the amount of money BT is putting out.
There is also a LOT of money being lost because very little of it is taxed.
Bronze mentioned that Sen. Johnson could be just "posturing"...again...I thought that was SPOT ON, while I do truly hope that's not the case, I fear that some of the support from some politicians is just for show.
Don't misunderstand, I do have the tiniest bit of hope that something will come through, but it's very little.
Washington is ALL about the $$, and we have very little to throw at them.
It has nothing to do with our health, if it did, cigarettes and alcohol would have been outlawed/regulated long ago.
I also think very little has to do with the children. Until they can legislate rebellion out of a teenager, they're going to try whatever comes along.
These are just my opinions. My opinions and about 75 cents will get you a soda from most vending machines.
I've just seen too many things pass and be implemented that I never in my life thought would become reality.
I live in a state (IL) that has so very much corruption that it's impossible to even wrap your head around, so I put very little faith in any of them...sorry, I just don't.
Everyone is free to their opinions, and free to follow what ever paths (through this) that they choose, but I so pray that everyone is stocking up.
I have very much enjoyed reading the debates...and have only missed a few pages of the entire thread.
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I refuse to financially contribute to the support of that rag based on their obscene cover photo.
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He is not the first to step up and openly question the language in the Cole-Bishop amendment and who the VTA is... his other videos are just as interesting and IMHO raise valid points, problem is we are not in any real position to do anything about it.
There's one very big difference.
The tobacco industry had a huge number of products that were grandfathered in February of 2007. The tobacco industry survived the onerous nature of those regulation because the products they were selling at the time weren't actually AFFECTED by them!
Vaping has none. Zero. Well, Zeller implied there might be ONE, but nobody knows what it is, and it almost certainly isn't being sold today. The vape industry would survive too if most everything it were selling now were grandfathered. But with every single product currently on the market having to go though PMTA, it won't, at least not in any semblance of the form that we know it today.
I don't know about the VTA, they are in industry group, and I don't expect their wishlist to coincide with mine, but from some of their members I don't think closed systems are what they're hoping for either. Could be wrong though. He is right that moving the predicate date is not a cure. It is a necessary step though to keep the industry alive long enough to fight, IMO.
Also, why do I have to listen to someone else's horrible taste in music for three minutes? If you're done talking, stop recording. YMMV
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