Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I don't want to sound dramatic, but the thought has crossed my mind. I have so much other crap going on in my life that just getting a pack of Salems looks inviting. Ecigs are much healthier, but I don't have any family left, so it's not really an issue.

And that is the lure of the dreaded cigarette. just one, we can do it......but, in reality we know its just that first step in a downward spiral......
Only you know your triggers, and what would upset you more is that you will be so angry with yourself.

Just know we are here for you, no matter what you decide. Get some rest and relax...ecf will still be here later.

Like Robino1 said, we have all had to take a step back and re-group, re-charge our batteries, so to speak.

 

[choochoogranny]

I am very, very angry......and I don't like being angry......which makes me angrier when I come to realize just how our government is purposely and deliberately planning the distruction of the small private businesses of its citizens who are dealing in legal commerce with legal material that causes no harm. That our government in collusion with large businesses must lie, cheat and steal away mom and pop's investment and livelihood so that government can without effort continue to fill the treasury with high taxes and their pockets with campaign funds makes me want another revolution.......

I have come to believe that the people who work for and in our government have no conscience, no sense of what's right and what wrong in serving the citizenry, no care for a job done well or speedily,....... no soul left in them at all.

 

[classwife]

I am very, very angry......and I don't like being angry......which makes me angrier when I come to realize just how our government is purposely and deliberately planning the distruction of the small private businesses of its citizens who are dealing in legal commerce with legal material that causes no harm. That our government in collusion with large businesses must lie, cheat and steal away mom and pop's investment and livelihood so that government can without effort continue to fill the treasury with high taxes and their pockets with campaign funds makes me want another revolution.......

I have come to believe that the people who work for and in our government have no conscience, no sense of what's right and what wrong in serving the citizenry, no care for a job done well or speedily,....... no soul left in them at all.

you said it chooch !

 

[DC2]

I have come to believe that the people who work for and in our government have no conscience, no sense of what's right and what wrong in serving the citizenry, no care for a job done well or speedily,....... no soul left in them at all.

It's a sad conclusion to come to.

I remember when it came to me years ago thanks to vaping.
Not one of my better days.

And somewhat embarrassing that it took vaping to enlighten me.
I mean, seriously? Vaping is what finally opened my eyes?

I'm sure there are many that go into "public service" with the right intentions.
In fact, I have no doubt whatsoever about that.

But advancing up the political ladder takes...
Hmmmm, how shall I put this...

Well, selling one's soul is about as accurate as I can state it.

You'll get no party backing if you aren't playing the game.
And the game is completely and thoroughly rigged.

It's about time to shut the game down and start over again.
And as voters, only WE can do that.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I am very, very angry......and I don't like being angry......which makes me angrier when I come to realize just how our government is purposely and deliberately planning the distruction of the small private businesses of its citizens who are dealing in legal commerce with legal material that causes no harm. That our government in collusion with large businesses must lie, cheat and steal away mom and pop's investment and livelihood so that government can without effort continue to fill the treasury with high taxes and their pockets with campaign funds makes me want another revolution.......

I have come to believe that the people who work for and in our government have no conscience, no sense of what's right and what wrong in serving the citizenry, no care for a job done well or speedily,....... no soul left in them at all.

Please put the blame where it truly belongs, on the ones who write policy and can actually make a difference, not on the civil servants or the military who dedicate their lives in helping others. There are millions of these people who do not like or agree with the powers that be and in fact, do not help them further their agendas. Just like vaping, ONE SIZE does not fit all.

 

[Coldrake]

The White Cloud webinar with Dimitris and Tony Abboud is up. It's well worth watching.



You can now register for the "A Billion Lives" director Aaron Biebert webinar on June 6.

Welcome! You are invited to join a webinar: An In-depth Discussion with Aaron Biebert. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email about joining the event.

 

[choochoogranny]

You're talking to a service brat here, Sugar, who is the child of service brats with both sides of extended families spending whole careers in the service. So, I've heard the stories and witnessed a lot of bilge within the various services my family was in. Believe it or not, people in the service are just like the rest of us with the same hopes, desires AND failures.

My husband has had to deal with the civil servants of a county government and a state government last month. THEY caused a two week delay in a transaction, and it would have been longer had HE not shown them where THEIR mistake was and had the paperwork of 4 yrs. previous to prove their mistake. They were slow, unco-operative and unapologetic. Try getting records through the VA......Heck, how long does it take to get a dr. lic. renewal from an unsmiling face at the DMV? And, it really chaps my fanny that I get no answer or several different ones from the IRS.

Tell me, Sugar, what inside info you have on these civil service people? I've had them in my family too and their main concern was not dedicating their lives to the "civies" but what their union contract read. There has to be a reason why they give you an employee number rather than their name. There has to be a reason why there are armed guards to check you through the entrance of a government bldg.

I realize that not ALL are like what I described; however, there are enough of them and I've dealth with enough of them to make me leary of dealing with anything "government." Too bad they can't be fired like bad apples in private business.

 

[Pamawoman]

SOOOO, I went to a dance recital last night and my BIL who is a vapor had no clue anything was going on. He works ALL the time so it wasn't too surprising. But these are the types of people that need to know what is going on. His wife cares more than he does. She doesn't want him smoking again. This is why I bought my bumper sticker to make the sheep go "wait a minute" why does it matter if I vape and vote. Maybe it will get some of them to pay attention. BTW he has one mod, one tank and vapes juice that he gets from a friend. LOL

 

[skoony]

The next time some one tells me that I am a tinfoil hat wearing,
alarmist,bomb thrower,remember I predicted this in 2014 after
the deeming proposals.
It is literally all over. We have no avenue of approach.

The CDC, Health and Human Services and the FDA are in lock step.

Elected officials fear the bureaucracy more than they fear the voter.
mike

 

[zoiDman]

The next time some one tells me that I am a tinfoil hat wearing,
alarmist,bomb thrower,remember I predicted this in 2014 after
the deeming proposals.
It is literally all over. We have no avenue of approach.

The CDC, Health and Human Services and the FDA are in lock step.

Elected officials fear the bureaucracy more than the fear the voter.
mike

It Aint Over Yet Mike.

So hang on that Tin Foil for a Little Bit.

 

[ENAUD]

I am very, very angry......and I don't like being angry......which makes me angrier when I come to realize just how our government is purposely and deliberately planning the distruction of the small private businesses of its citizens who are dealing in legal commerce with legal material that causes no harm. That our government in collusion with large businesses must lie, cheat and steal away mom and pop's investment and livelihood so that government can without effort continue to fill the treasury with high taxes and their pockets with campaign funds makes me want another revolution.......

I have come to believe that the people who work for and in our government have no conscience, no sense of what's right and what wrong in serving the citizenry, no care for a job done well or speedily,....... no soul left in them at all.

Amen CCG! Quoted for truth!

 

[Katya]

Regardless of Accomplishments or Motivation, I am thankful for the Senators Voice!
Only wish I could post a comment to thank him.

You can thank him here:

Contact | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee

 

[Mowgli]

Who knows anything about this?

 

[zoiDman]

Who knows anything about this?

Do you have a "Broken Link" to where you Found it?

 

[Mowgli]

Do you have a "Broken Link" to where you Found it?

I think it's an attempt to deceive, inveigle or obfuscate (yes that's an X-Files reference) that a well meaning guy shared on Facebook. Divide & conquer tactic probably.

 

[crxess]

You can thank him here:

Contact | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee

Well, the whole committee may have to pass it around. I forgot to Name Ron Johnson in the e-mail............but that Could be a Bonus

 

[Katya]

Who knows anything about this?

I'd like to know, too, where this came from. I don't know much about the first 5 people, but nobody will convince me that Dimitris, Azim and Phil are traitors or Big Tobacco supporters or whatever. Sorry.

SeviaUSA

 

[Katya]

Well, the whole committee may have to pass it around. I forgot to Name Ron Johnson in the e-mail............but that Could be a Bonus

Send another letter, this time addressed to him directly.

 

[crxess]

Do you have a "Broken Link" to where you Found it?

I am Seriously considering Keeping my distance from VTA.

Looks like they have picked the Absolute worst time in our Situation to start a Pissing Contest over Top leadership.

You better well believe, Those Attorneys know more about Government vs Tobacco than any outside Group. Vapor Products Companies MUST have INFORMED Counsel in place to Challenge FDA Regulation. They are the best to Prove we are not a Duck!

 

[zoiDman]

I think it's an attempt to deceive, inveigle or obfuscate (yes that's an X-Files reference) that a well meaning guy shared on Facebook. Divide & conquer tactic probably.

It Wouldn't Surprise me.

Could have been Created by a Anti e-Cigarette Group(s) to create Division?
Could have been Created by a Vaper who's Hatred of BT overshadows All Else?
Could have been created by a Splinter Pro e-Cigarette Advocacy Group?

All I know if there is Nothing Else attached to it, then it is Just a Drive By to Create and Spread FUD.