Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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What do you mean ? Do you mean that big tobacco will dominate the market, or do you mean that BT will make the decisions in re the market ?
They know exactly how large they WANT the business of e-cigs to be.just...just...
they have ABSOLUTELY NO idea how large the business end of e-cigs is
NO idea at ALL !
"We're here to protect the public health. We recognize that if e-cigs are a positive for public health and we destroy the industry, that could be bad for public health. Don't worry, once the industry is down to what we choose it to be, we'll let you keep a few vapor products, in the interest of public health."'The purpose of the review of PMTAs is to ensure that new tobacco products are appropriate for the protection of the public health. However, FDA acknowledged in the PRIA that premarket submission requirements could lead to significant product exit and reduced entry. As we note in Table 12 of the PRIA and the associated discussion, a reduction in the supply of electronic cigarettes could under some conditions yield negative health benefits.
In particular, if, going forward, electronic cigarettes are proven safer than other tobacco products and are substitutes for other tobacco products, and if the effect of premarket requirements on the supply and price of electronic products were large enough, then the welfare effects of a reduction in supply of electronic cigarettes due to the rule could potentially be negative.
Counterbalancing this, however, is that the PMTA requirement helps ensure that new tobacco products are appropriate for the protection of the public health."
I have to believe the FDA does know the scope of the ecig market in the US, it is not difficult information to accrue, but, providing accurate numbers would show a much greater impact on the economy by the deeming regs which is not to their benefit. They are also doing this low numbers game to the premium cigar industry.
You have a point. That's one reason Sen. Johnson is trying to get them to backup their misleading statements about economic impact.
I think that's the gist of it ! I was about to type in many more words to express that sentiment, but you did it in far less.
I doubt all will be approved, in fact I doubt BT will submit PMTAs for everything they currently have on the market, but more of theirs will be approved than anyone else's.
I think BT will overtly dominate the market and covertly try to influence regulations that are profitable for them.
Have you ever seen the movie "Cube" ? Aside from being a great movie, there's a fantastic point about bureaucracy in there.
I really don't think the FDA is "evil" although some of the leadership definitely is. I'd say the agency as a whole is misguided. Give people this great mission, protect the public health, and they will do what people will do and distort that because it never goes far enough. Then things become an organism unto themselves and it just feeds and feeds, and if you're an employee you either have to go along with it, or you get swallowed up. They need a course correction, and it will not come from within.
Yeah possibly. If nothing changes in the next two to three years, it will be Bt and probably a half dozen big vape companies in the market, each with a few products. We will go from over ten thousand different eliquids for example down to probably less than a hundred, most likely in a closed system only.
And in this Bizarro world we live in, that Economic Impact will be considered More heavily than the issue of Depriving Smokers of Harm Reduction via e-Cigarettes.
But either way, the FDA needs to be Slapped Down. So keep getting People and Retailers to Write Letters.
'The purpose of the review of PMTAs is to ensure that new tobacco products are appropriate for the protection of the public health. However, FDA acknowledged in the PRIA that premarket submission requirements could lead to significant product exit and reduced entry. As we note in Table 12 of the PRIA and the associated discussion, a reduction in the supply of electronic cigarettes could under some conditions yield negative health benefits.
In particular, if, going forward, electronic cigarettes are proven safer than other tobacco products and are substitutes for other tobacco products, and if the effect of premarket requirements on the supply and price of electronic products were large enough, then the welfare effects of a reduction in supply of electronic cigarettes due to the rule could potentially be negative.
Counterbalancing this, however, is that the PMTA requirement helps ensure that new tobacco products are appropriate for the protection of the public health."
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Does not matter that it may be Good or Bad, it is Not in Zellers Play Book.
Nor is he likely ever to be.....
Notice he loves using I, over We..........that all important, I am finally a God, attitude.
Yeah... I think that is pretty much a Given.
And Isn't that Exactly what BT wants? Limited Competition.
And if the Entire US e-Cigarette market falls on it's face, so what. People will just keep Smoking Cigarettes. Cigarettes made by... wait for it... Wait for it.... BT.
This Whole thing Reeks. And I don't know how Califf and Burwell can Sleep at Night.
BT wants what any other business wants. To make more money. Whatever strategy they think leads to more money, that's the route they will take.And Isn't that Exactly what BT wants? Limited Competition.
And if the Entire US e-Cigarette market falls on it's face, so what. People will just keep Smoking Cigarettes. Cigarettes made by... wait for it... Wait for it.... BT.
This Whole thing Reeks. And I don't know how Califf and Burwell can Sleep at Night.
And Isn't that Exactly what BT wants? Limited Competition.
And if the Entire US e-Cigarette market falls on it's face, so what. People will just keep Smoking Cigarettes. Cigarettes made by... wait for it... Wait for it.... BT.
This Whole thing Reeks. And I don't know how Califf and Burwell can Sleep at Night.
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