Yeah... And I think Margaret Hamburg listened to this song everyday on her commute to work.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Yeah... And I think Margaret Hamburg listened to this song everyday on her commute to work.
I'm guessing about 40 with roughly 30 Closed Tobacco Flavor and another 4-6 bottled Tobacco Flavor.
Hey Zeller Yea you Jack
, I don't Vape Tobacco Flavors and will not Vape tobacco Flavors, But I Damn well WILL continue to Vape.............with or without YOUR Personal consent. 
And Isn't that Exactly what BT wants? Limited Competition.
And if the Entire US e-Cigarette market falls on it's face, so what. People will just keep Smoking Cigarettes. Cigarettes made by... wait for it... Wait for it.... BT.
This Whole thing Reeks. And I don't know how Califf and Burwell can Sleep at Night.
Especially when you consider Robert Califf is a member of the Institute of Medicine. In March 2015, the IOM issued a report on the Public Health Implications of Raising the Minimum Age of Legal Access to Tobacco Products.
There is only one statement regarding ecigs, "In addition, the rapidly changing landscape of tobacco products—for example, e-cigarettes— provides unknowns and could affect the future of tobacco product use in ways that the committee was unable to anticipate due to lack of evidence."
That's why Siegal says they support a change in the grandfather date. A big part of a small market is not as good as a smaller part in a huge market. In an estimated 10 Billion dollar market, you don't have to make all of it to make good money.
"Neither Reynolds nor Altria's e-cigarette sales are meaningful enough to be reported separately. Reynolds groups Vuse with its nicotine gum under "all other" brands, which generated $368 million in sales, or 3% of its top line, last year. Altria's MarkTen and Green Smoke sales were included in its smokeless revenue of $1.7 billion last year, which accounted for 7% of its overall sales. However, the vast majority of those sales came from snuff and wine. Therefore, e-cig sales are a promising growth market for tobacco companies, but they don't drive sales growth yet."
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Are you ready for this, it is horrific? I can't find the vid atm but here are links to articles. I would put the quote from the FDA about animal studies in case they haven't heard about it.
Interesting read about the woman who worked in the lab and exposed the terrible, inhumane treatment.
Smoking beagles - SourceWatch
Smoking Beagles
Tobacco Companies Still Testing on Dogs
Thank you! Where is the quote from the FDA? This sickens me - I had NO IDEA they did this. I'm a HUGE dog lover (currently have 3) and this is appalling.
I have to go back and search this thread. I think Katya or Ocelot posted it.
Here is a vid from PETA, shows Oxycontin testing on a beagle more recently.
Thank you - I also found a few articles but not of them are dated
- I don't want people thinking this is old news and that "they probably don't test like that anymore".
Yeah, yeah, I know. In an un-corrupted form an agency that screens products for known dangers, and explores potential dangers, especially in the realm of medicine, is not necessarily a bad thing.
If your ........ treatment doesn't actually treat ........, it shouldn't be on the market. I don't trust businesses enough to believe they will be entirely scrupulous about such things. Unfortunately/fortunately, I no longer trust government agencies either.
Hopefully Ocelot will see this and tell you where to find the info. This is what was posted earlier.
I can't watch these, either, but they should be included in the letters to the FDA--or on FDA's deeming regs FB page. The deeming regs require more testing...
And it wouldn't be for very long. Unless it was mandated by gov't.
It's why a free unregulated market (and one not corrupted by a corporation/gov't 'arrangement'), works better. It weeds out the unscrupulous. And businesses that want to stay in the market, tend to make things customers want. Unless prohibited by gov't.
Fortunately, I never did :- )
Of course - BT does like limited competition. Limited enough to buy them up if they become too much of a nuisance. Saves them some R&D costs. Seen a post here referencing some vape-related patent filings.
Sniffing along a few links starting from that post - BT names alarmingly prominent on these patents/applications.
And BT making noises about tax hikes on their products ?
Huffing and puffing for the public who expects this from them.
Internally they're rechoicing.
Tax hikes will never be so drastic as to really scare off a sizeable proportion of smokers.
Yet, every cent more tax entrenches them even deeper as it cements the governments dependency on their easy money.
Pity that there is no vape-equivalent for getting BG off it's addiction to cheap $$$.
But if there was, they'd probably regulate into oblivion.
Dealers hate nothing more than their customer base diappearing...
Sniffing along a few links starting from that post - BT names alarmingly prominent on these patents/applications.
And BT making noises about tax hikes on their products ?
Huffing and puffing for the public who expects this from them.
Internally they're rechoicing.
Tax hikes will never be so drastic as to really scare off a sizeable proportion of smokers.
Yet, every cent more tax entrenches them even deeper as it cements the governments dependency on their easy money.
Pity that there is no vape-equivalent for getting BG off it's addiction to cheap $$$.
But if there was, they'd probably regulate into oblivion.
Dealers hate nothing more than their customer base diappearing...
Dopamine | Psychology Today
So, Step one:
Reduce Dopamine and make people even dumber.
Reduce Dopamine and increase Addictive nature.
Reduce Dopamine and increase odds of Parkinson's Disease.
Reduce Dopamine and reduce expectation or Rewards or Pleasure.
Step 2:
Reduce availability of Nicotine to Reduce Dopamine to further control the people.
Sorry but Smoker Levels have been Dropping
This generation has more issues than the last
The last has more issues than the one before
Descent is as high as in past generations
Dissatisfaction in Government is as high as ever in recent history
Government is doing a
job of meeting their goal of Controlling the People - regardless of dumbing down America.Maybe they have been following their own advice
Perhaps it is time to stop repeating the Same Failed experiment over and over and expecting different results.
Little Happy fellow in the middle of Turmoil..... That's me, I Vape..........The rest, They just found out they missed their chance.
Thank you:
Fraudulent Dooming Antagonist
Criminal Thieving Politicians
and
Crap Distributing Coercionist
Why do we hear this well if they aren't banning cigs why are they after us nonsense over and over? it's like an opposite argument, quit saying it, so it's ok if they ban vaping as long as they do the same for cigarettes? No. The argument is on its own, personal freedom and the right to choose. Quit saying ban something but don't ban what we want...
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