My most recent fasttech order arrived post deeming and was labeled correctly as electronic cigarette components. So I wouldn't count on China mislabeling shipments.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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So we have huge debts to China, China gets really PO'd when we stop importing their stuff or try to slap tariffs on their products. I have a feeling China is not happy with FDA either.
Maybe. But I would probably count on China more to do whatever it takes to keep selling stuff here. Like screwing a cheap 510 flashlight head onto every single mod...lol
So a man walks into a bar, orders a non alcoholic beer and bag of peanuts and bar tender asks for his ID to check age. Does this happen in bars? Is a non alcoholic beer really alcohol because it is sold in a bar and are peanuts alcohol because they are used or sold in a bar? Should we do away with flavored drinks because they attract children? Peachy and pineapple drinks with little umbrellas most kids would like more than a straight shot of whiskey for instance. It is just so crazy! Edit just trying to apply FDA logic to vaping and there is no logic!
I am in germany. We have the TPD2 in force and my Fasttech orders are labeled as "outdoor product" now. E-cigarettes are outdoor products now
Vape goods are an utterly insignificant part of what the US buys from China; a small fraction of 1%. I do not think the Chinese government is likely start a trade war with the US over the the FDA regulations.
In fact, the Chinese government may be rather happy that the FDA is doing what they're doing, because they'll be able to point to it as justifications for restrictions of their own. Why would they want to restrict vaping? Well, in China the cigarette industry isn't just a source of tax revenue; it's government-owned, and hence an even bigger source of revenue for the government than ours is.
Well it is crazy that any government relies on a product that kills people for it's income. Plus the worst of the effects of smoking happens as people age so uses much of the Medicare $'s for treatment. Not sure what China offers for health care?? I mean really how stupid are our governments, pretty stupid! LOL I wonder if a cost effect study has been done on tax income of tobacco V's health care costs of tobacco use? Anyone know?
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I don t think so. They could prohibit nicotine Liquid and continue to export e-cigarettes. In Honkong - the home of
Fasttech - nicotine Liquid is forbidden.
For taxing vaping vs tobacco cigarettes, cigars etc. Since vaping is 95% safer than other tobacco products, give vape products a 95% reduced tax rate. They still get some tax but the benefits of less health care cost would be a boost for the gov health care programs. I know too logical, would never fly in Washington LOL
Well I tried to find actual same years costs, revenue but not sure I did. Tax page said in 2010 Fed brought in 8.5 billion in tobacco revenue, but CDC says it costs $300 billion yearly in health care for tobacco illnesses. If that is true, the revenue from tobacco tax is no where close to cost treating tobacco illness. So anyone with a brain would see that a lower tax on harm prevention products would be much more Fed $'s long term because the drain on health care would not be so great. It's basic economics
FDA is killing the goose that laid the golden egg, vaping is that egg.Well I tried to find actual same years costs, revenue but not sure I did. Tax page said in 2010 Fed brought in 8.5 billion in tobacco revenue, but CDC says it costs $300 billion yearly in health care for tobacco illnesses. If that is true, the revenue from tobacco tax is no where close to cost treating tobacco illness. So anyone with a brain would see that a lower tax on harm prevention products would be much more Fed $'s long term because the drain on health care would not be so great. It's basic economics
And the FDA shows their true colors once again... Candy Flavored Amphetamines... smh
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Well I tried to find actual same years costs, revenue but not sure I did. Tax page said in 2010 Fed brought in 8.5 billion in tobacco revenue, but CDC says it costs $300 billion yearly in health care for tobacco illnesses. If that is true, the revenue from tobacco tax is no where close to cost treating tobacco illness. So anyone with a brain would see that a lower tax on harm prevention products would be much more Fed $'s long term because the drain on health care would not be so great. It's basic economics
Just Curious.
But who were the one(s) Paying that 300B?
Most governments do rely on it, especially state governments in the US. Tobacco taxes, combined with MSA money from the tobacco companies, amount to a large chunk of revenue. Many contend this is why several states that have borderline deficit budgets (like California) are so against vaping, even to the point of running primetime ads like the California DPH "Stop Blowing Smoke" ads.... there has to be a "man behind the curtain" that justifies that spend.
Came across this from the UK, where nationalized health care probably makes it easier to calculate costs on both side (taxes/duties and health care). It's a little dated, but at least gives some indication: Does smoking cost as much as it makes for the Treasury?
Wrong. Most isn't "all". Specify. Which market, where?
Most nicotine to be used for ecigs
is indeed tobacco derived but not all nicotine on the market is derived from tobacco.
See: Synthetic Nicotine | Spectrum
Synthetic nicotine, often used in bug spray and in some nicotine lozenges marketed for smoking cessation, is much more expensive than naturally extracted nicotine
which is one reason why it isn't used in ecig juice. However some ecig juice vendors have
used or are said to have used some synthetic nicotine in some of their products.
In this thread: Synthetic Nicotine - Is there really such a thing?
Rolygate states:
"We know of one supplier who claims to use only synthetic nicotine in their cartos. They pay $1,800 per barrel for their nic, when standard natural nic of very high purity is $300 per barrel or less. The reason they use it is apparently to ensure it is of the highest quality and contains no pesticides, carcinogens or any other contaminants.
It is of course very expensive. However this supplier (a major name) only sells cartomizer ecigs, and to the 'new buyer' market. Their product is very expensive indeed, around $150 or more for a starter kit - you know the type. Therefore I guess the nic cost is not a huge factor; also like many suppliers in that market their 'high strength' cartos are what others would consider medium or low. I can easily see that whatever the cost of their nic, it would be absorbed without issue, due to the price of the end product. The ability to claim ultra-high purity, and for that to be provable on analysis, would be a good selling point especially in that market.
This was unfortunately told me in confidence so I can't say any more on the subject."
had already heard that and it is a Definite concern Vendors need to understand and act on NOW!
I was thinking doing DIY, I'd be fine, though now I am concerned as an exiting Flavor manufacturer may also Drop certain (vaping specific Flavors) in Separation.
Example only - RY4 Asian, RY4D, etc. from TPA
Many of the Flavor manufacturers have developed Vape specific Flavoring.
I was wondering about tfa ry4 dbl myself. I have a big bottle, but I wonder if I should pick up another one. The other flavors I'm not worried about.
A good point, as those of us in Arkansas, a distinctly red state, can no longer order eliquid online w/out breaking arkansas law.
Those laws were introduced by republicans, and passed by republicans. AFAIK, it is one of the most draconian laws in the entire U.S., at least it was when it passed.
Eliquid vendors followed suit, with notices on their sites that they would no longer ship to us. If there aren't notices, their shopping cart software will boot you out when you go to make a purchase.......sometimes, even for hardware since their software can't seem to differentiate.
The purpose is to inventory eliquid in bottles like cartons of cigs on the shelves so it can be..........taxed. (vote coming up on that 2/in 2 years of the law).
So you are correct, just because some politicians don't want to ban vaping, they will do things like tax vapor products, or make it very hard to get any, w/out having to walk into a retail B&M and buy and pay taxes on it.
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As is implicated in Both Arguments - FOR ADULTS ONLY, both should be considered ONLY on their intended use by ADULTS>>>>FDA KMA
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) in children
The Most Dangerous Term Created in recent history in order to Protect a Perception of a Social Norm at the Expense of Children being Children. Now being extended to add a modicum of control over unacceptable adults.
Drones are easier to program and control.
This Great nation has serious issues and the worse they get the more those with money and power attempt to separate and Control populous to their advantage.
As to the Flavoring issue.................... It is not Flavor, but the perseption of flavors being at issue by those tasteless asses with nothing better to do than attempt to Tell others how to live.
When a Psychiatrist or an enraged Mom speaks out against Flavoring, I challenge whether they speak from <Scientific Based Proof> or a personal Bias?
Makes you wonder if some e-juice makers will divulge some of their most popular recipes after they fold. Or sell them.
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