Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[The Ocelot]

So, Bernie said no? hee hee

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Well, a properly Crafted(to fail) Study in which each participant is given either a Placebo or a first Gen. cig-a-like has a high probability of Satisfying intended results.(likely scenario)

I bet they would have a fit figuring me out. My Battle was won by the time I found ECF and as I registered I was puffing away on my 3rd upgrade to EGO/Clearo tanks.
4 months earlier I had NO Clue E-cigarettes Even existed.

That is because we here at ecf were determined to keep looking. If the study wasn't rigged then the ppl referred to either didn't bother to go online to look for more or it was just too inconvenient to be bothered with. And of course they were correct in 'they don't work' because we all know the cig-a-likes don't.

 

[The Ocelot]

meep

 

[The Ocelot]

That is because we here at ecf were determined to keep looking. If the study wasn't rigged then the ppl referred to either didn't bother to go online to look for more or it was just too inconvenient to be bothered with. And of course they were correct in 'they don't work' because we all know the cig-a-likes don't.

I don't think it was rigged or bias. I'll bet your second observations are accurate.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I don't think it was rigged or bias. I'll bet your second observations are accurate.

I started in 2010 with a cig-a-like 'safe smoke'. It was gawd awful but I was determined. I remember how sore my jaws and cheeks got from trying to get a hit off of them. So I kept looking and looking. Back then it was not easy to find things on the internet. I finally found something called 'ecf'. From there it was 510 attys, and ejuice from China that numbed your lips and tongue.(ugh) to 808s, 901s, 510s and all the non inter-connectivity. Until adapters came out from China. Businesses were making cartridges that fit their battery but ppl wanted to be able to interchange cartridges with different batteries. And the dreaded, messy carts(filled with a polyfil that didn't last very long) that stuck onto the end of the 510 atty that only held a few drops of liquid. But I digress.....
So while cig-a-likes do serve a purpose in getting current smokers interested in vaping, unless that person is determined to want more and goes looking or knows someone who can help them they go back to real cigs and say that ecigs don't work.

 

[Stephuhnator]

This article is from 2013. If you scroll down to the comments it has a summary by Bob Godshall of the issues up to the time, including links. SFATA Members And Policy Makers Talk E-Cigarettes - Convenience Store Decisions

Hiya Kitteh and fellow vapers! I wish there was a "Love" button to click for this info you shared here in this post (and a gazillion other informative posts of yours), wow. Could there possibly be hope for us and the survival of our current e-cigs (and future innovations)? I'd like to think so as I go back to bed and drift off into the land of sweet dreams that really do come true, with visions of a huge FDA scandal that gets brought to light, where justice is served to those who would destroy our sacred ecig industry. nite nite

 

[The Ocelot]

I started in 2010 with a cig-a-like 'safe smoke'. It was gawd awful but I was determined. I remember how sore my jaws and cheeks got from trying to get a hit off of them. So I kept looking and looking. Back then it was not easy to find things on the internet. I finally found something called 'ecf'. From there it was 510 attys, and ejuice from China that numbed your lips and tongue.(ugh) to 808s, 901s, 510s and all the non inter-connectivity. Until adapters came out from China. Businesses were making cartridges that fit their battery but ppl wanted to be able to interchange cartridges with different batteries. And the dreaded, messy carts(filled with a polyfil that didn't last very long) that stuck onto the end of the 510 atty that only held a few drops of liquid. But I digress.....
So while cig-a-likes do serve a purpose in getting current smokers interested in vaping, unless that person is determined to want more and goes looking or knows someone who can help them they go back to real cigs and say that ecigs don't work.

Some of us just want to know more...about everything

Which is why I usually have 5 or 6 windows open stuffed full of tabs: FDA conflict of interest, ECF, No No No cat song, Bacon Bowls, Onision, Adjective order, Public Health Focus, Thought Crime Radio (Those are the tabs for this window.)

 

[mikepetro]

From this:

To this:

What a long strange trip it's been.....

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

From this:

To this:

What a long strange trip it's been.....

but what a fun ride. LOL

 

[DPLongo22]

The article forgot to mention the Federal Lawsuit against Dr. Margaret Hamburg, former Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) charging her with conspiracy, racketeering & colluding to conceal deadly drug dangers. One of the named co-conspirators is Johnson and Johnson. She was the FDA Commissioner from May 2009 to March 2015.

Nicorette products are manufactured by McNeil Consumer Healthcare company, a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson. GlaxoSmithKline is the licence holder of Nicorette gum in the United States while Johnson & Johnson markets Nicorette globally.

So, we have Dr. Hamburg heading the FDA while the deeming regs were being proposed now accused of:

During the confirmation process before Congress [in 2009], Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg, acting in concert with her husband, Peter F. Brown, at all material times the Co-CEO of a hedge fund named Renaissance Technologies, L.L.C., failed to disclose to Congress and other relevant authorities, her and her husband’s clear-cut conflict of interest –specifically, that Renaissance Technologies, L.L.C. held hundreds of millions of dollars of Johnson & Johnson stock.

Former FDA Commissioner Charged in RICO Lawsuit

Good point, and I failed to notice that (and thank you, @The Ocelot). When the assaults are as egregious and over-reaching as the FDA's are here, it's easy for something to slip through the cracks.

For their (attempted?) crimes against humanity these people should be wearing orange for the rest of their days.

 

[DPLongo22]

From this:

To this:

What a long strange trip it's been.....

Similar trip.

Good stuff.

 

[DPLongo22]

Similar trip.

Good stuff.

...all a friend can say is, "Ain't it a shame!"

 

[wiredlove]

From this:

To this:

What a long strange trip it's been.....

It's the moment when the devices that are used in a presentation as the 'firsts' are newer than the one that you have....

 

[mattiem]

Vaping needs to be severed from tobacco.

This is what we were/are trying to get done Please sign this petition
I still don't think it is to late. Let's git-er-done

 

[MyMagicMist]

A $50 liter of 100mg nic will make 33 liters of 3mg base at a cost of about 0.15 cents/ml. On a good day you can buy nic for $40 or less.

A $68 4 gallon glycube of your choice of pg/VG from essential depot works out to about 0.41 cents/ml.

You could make 12mg base for about 1 cent/ml.

At a tax rate of $1/ml, that liter of nic and about $136 of pg/VG, would tax out at about $33,000 if cut to 3mg. There is something very wrong with that picture...

Nicotine Labs - Flavorless Nicotine Liquid - Premium E-Liquid - E Cig Liquid - Vaping Liquid - Nicotine for Vaping - eLiquid - Liquid Nicotine $69 for 1 L of nicotine. That so far is as low as I've seen it without looking into any back door markets.

33 L is your quantity * .03 as your target = 0.99 / 100 as your concentrate = 0.009 mL of nicotine concentrate per L is that correct?

Essential depot has the glycubes of 2 & 2 for $49.00 which if I did that per L is $0.05 @ 3 L per gallon then $0.15 per gallon. Granted there is a little more over 3 L per gallon but I'm using an estimate.

Still I'd pay $118 cost, not including shipping for 1 L of nicotine & enough PG & VG to do 6 L of juice this still puts me at roughly $0.20 per L. That is not even a penny a mL.

Okay, think I'm starting see how you're going so low cost. It just does not seem as low cost to me looking at it from buying only a limited amount of bulk.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Most recent tweet from Sen. Ron Johnson today. Note his hashtag!



#AnswerRonJohnson

13 Days & counting.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Nicotine Labs - Flavorless Nicotine Liquid - Premium E-Liquid - E Cig Liquid - Vaping Liquid - Nicotine for Vaping - eLiquid - Liquid Nicotine $69 for 1 L of nicotine. That so far is as low as I've seen it without looking into any back door markets.

33 L is your quantity * .03 as your target = 0.99 / 100 as your concentrate = 0.009 mL of nicotine concentrate per L is that correct?

Essential depot has the glycubes of 2 & 2 for $49.00 which if I did that per L is $0.05 @ 3 L per gallon then $0.15 per gallon. Granted there is a little more over 3 L per gallon but I'm using an estimate.

Still I'd pay $118 cost, not including shipping for 1 L of nicotine & enough PG & VG to do 6 L of juice this still puts me at roughly $0.20 per L. That is not even a penny a mL.

Okay, think I'm starting see how you're going so low cost. It just does not seem as low cost to me looking at it from buying only a limited amount of bulk.

Is nicotine labs a good company to order from?

 

[leftyandsparky]

This is the nicotine I use for my now dying ejuice company. Great quality and cheap to boot..
Nicotine Solution - 100mg Liter

Wow is that really the price? So far these 2 companies are the cheapest. Everywhere else its over $100 for the same. Thanks

 

[VNeil]

Nicotine Labs - Flavorless Nicotine Liquid - Premium E-Liquid - E Cig Liquid - Vaping Liquid - Nicotine for Vaping - eLiquid - Liquid Nicotine $69 for 1 L of nicotine. That so far is as low as I've seen it without looking into any back door markets.

33 L is your quantity * .03 as your target = 0.99 / 100 as your concentrate = 0.009 mL of nicotine concentrate per L is that correct?

Essential depot has the glycubes of 2 & 2 for $49.00 which if I did that per L is $0.05 @ 3 L per gallon then $0.15 per gallon. Granted there is a little more over 3 L per gallon but I'm using an estimate.

Still I'd pay $118 cost, not including shipping for 1 L of nicotine & enough PG & VG to do 6 L of juice this still puts me at roughly $0.20 per L. That is not even a penny a mL.

Okay, think I'm starting see how you're going so low cost. It just does not seem as low cost to me looking at it from buying only a limited amount of bulk.

1 gallon = 3.785 liters. I round to 4, not 3

Myfreedomsmokes.com (MFS) is NOT a "backwater source". Their everyday price for a liter of 100mg nic is $50 and they regularly put it out at $42 or so. Buy 2 and you get free shipping. They are a very well respected source for nic but they do not market themselves as "boutique premium". I have made 4 buys over an 18 month period and was fully satisfied each time.

Last year I ordered a sample vial of Nude Nicotine. When I got it I tested it against my MFS by mixing unflavored VG at 24mg and was not sure I could tell them apart. Just the other day I did a similar test at 50mg (yes fifty). The NN may have been slightly less harsh. If I made a habit of vaping 50mg I might upgrade and pay double. But since I normally vape 3mg where it is impossible for me to tell the difference....

Eta:. Yes, to get good pricing you need to buy nic by the liter,. Pg and VG by the multiple gallons and flavoring by the 4 oz bottle.

 

[Robino1]

Breaking - anyone have any insight as to what "other measures" might exist?

Majority Media | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee

If significant, please someone start a separate thread!

I've started a thread: What 'Other Measures' are involved if FDA doesn't comply with Senator Johnson?