Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[HazyShades]

This just Landed on Campaign for tobacco-Free Kids FB Page

Taking bets on how long it stays up? LOL...Good show!

 

[The Ocelot]

Not yet. Those are pretty serious accusations/claims

True; however, I'm not sure how seriously the Plaintiffs' attorney is taken. Larry Klayman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[crxess]

I'm happy that Hamburg's conflict of interest is being brought to light, I wouldn't get too excited about the proceedings. It's not criminal case.



ETA: I didn't mean to post the complaint, it just did it.

Maybe it will open the door for people to sue her and hubby for wrongful XXX and knock them down to Middle Class. I'll be waiting there.

 

[The Ocelot]

Maybe it will open the door for people to sue her and hubby for wrongful XXX and knock them down to Middle Class. I'll be waiting there.

Considering her age and the right to appeals, I doubt she'll live long enough to be knock down even a notch.

 

[crxess]

Taking bets on how long it stays up? LOL...Good show!

Do they really want to risk me standing outside their DC office handing out vaping Facts?

1400 I Street NW, Suite 1200
Washington, DC 20005
202-296-5469

 

[crxess]

Considering her age and the right to appeals, I doubt she'll live long enough to be knock down even a notch.

Yep, the Problem with Weebles and Rich Crooks, hard to knock them over.

 

[HazyShades]

True; however, I'm not sure how seriously the Plaintiffs' attorney is taken. Larry Klayman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was an inspiring read..
The guy is certainly controversial..but I respect that
and his willingness to go after the big fishies

 

[HazyShades]

Do they really want to risk me standing outside their DC office handing out vaping Facts?

1400 I Street NW, Suite 1200
Washington, DC 20005
202-296-5469

I dare you..I double dare you. Gopher it!
What we need is a martyr for the cause...

that is very close to the WH...uhmmm

 

[Katya]

Sent this to my Senator, the format is screwed up because its through the link on the website where you type in the little taxpayer funded window and not regular email:

I am writing to express my deepest disappointment in your support for the FDA's so called "Deeming regulations" with regard to the life saving technology of vaping products. I smoked for 30 years and tried everything on the market in order to quit and failed until September 11th 2010, my daughters 2nd birthday. Feeling the devastating effects of smoking for 30 years, more and more each day, I knew I had to quit for my daughters sake as well as mine but nothing had worked (patches, gum, wellbuterin, etc.), I discovered vaping, still in its infancy mind you, not the great devices on the market today which will essentially be banned due to the PMTA costs under the "Deeming". I quit that day and have been vaping for almost 6 years now and all my smoking related symptoms went away, I can breath again! Vaping literally saved my life. I am not suggesting reasonable labeling and laws prohibiting sales to minors not be implemented, all vapers that I know (helped 5 other people quit tobacco myself) seem to support that idea but this is essentially a defacto prohibition and cannot be allowed to stand,

I have to say I do find it ironic that this is being pushed at a time when tobacco use has fallen drastically in this country, make no mistake, thats because of vaping and I suspect that is why this is happening now as the big tobacco and big pharma companies see the writing on the wall and lack of profits will not be allowed to go unchallenged,

Are you aware of the Royal College of Physicians statement on vaping that just came out?
Nicotine without smoke: Tobacco harm reduction

Here are some highlights:

- Vaping holds less than a 5% risk to the vaper

- NO harm to bystanders.

- More than 95% safer compared to smoking cigarettes,

- Is not a gateway to smoking but rather a gateway from smoking,

- Does not renormalize smoking but helps reduce allure of smoking,

- Electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS) should be encouraged for smokers to help quit

This video might help:
It’s Just the Science – Royal College of Physicians’ John Britton Talks e-Cigarette Benefits & Regulation (RegWatch Exclusive)

This is the oldest institution of physicians in the world and the first to link cigarettes with cancer in 1962.

I find the "save the children" angle frankly ridiculous, perhaps "save big tobacco" or "save big pharma" might be a more honest approach since they will be the only ones who can afford the $500K plus fee for each item through the PMTA process. These "regulations" are a gift to big tobacco and big pharma and nothing more.

In closing, you must know that supporting this massive overreach is absurd and a detriment to public health so at a minimum I would expect you to support HR2058 and/or the Cole-Bishop Amendment to reduce the negative impact on availability of products and ultimately peoples health, including mine.

Thank you for your time,

Drum, would you mind reposting your letter in our stickied thread?

SAMPLE LETTERS - For Congress, State, Commissioners

Thank you very much.

 

[nicnik]

Re: menthol - I see Glantz et al didn't care for the OMB striking out the flavor wording on the final deeming.... making it a racial issue, when in fact, it's just the opposite.

https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/white-house-told-fda-black-lives-don%E2%80%99t-matter

Glantz posted the actual text that was deleted by the administration.

The OMB's work on the regulations is supposed be kept secret from the public, including stakeholders. How did reporters get their info for the stories they did? Maybe they had the further details that Glantz has, but the articles I read were short and didn't include them. Or maybe they weren't privy to as much as Glantz was. But where'd they get their secret info?

And where did Glantz get his?

Who leaked it? And to whom? And why?

Did the secrets get handed to any vaping advocates? Cigar advocates? It looks like it was only leaked to our adversaries.

Did the leak come from an FDA official? Or higher up in the Pharma hierarchy? Or from an OMB offficial? Or higher up in the administration?

How much other secret info along the way has gotten leaked to our enemies?

 

[mikepetro]

E-Cig Technology Inc. I don't think this is anything we want to compare our stuff to.

Lots of people got those letters back in 2010. The FDA was trying to call it a drug back then, until they lost in court.

 

[Yiana]

True, but they'll extract it from BT and from all the vape
vendors/makers who file those forms to get approval.
It really is all about money. Understood that as in other things
fanatics will interfere and its a cause for them, but the gub'min is in it for the money.

The only ones will be closed systems. At this point if nothing is done regarding the over reach the fda plans, I pretty much guarantee it.

 

[WillyZee]

The only ones will be closed systems. At this point if nothing is done regarding the over reach the fda plans, I pretty much guarantee it.

If they succeed in banning open tank Vaping ... the Black Market will prove the truth about these life-saving devices.

The miracle of a tobacco-free society is staring them straight in the face ... the sheer greed to protect their own financial survival is fuelling the propaganda.

Open tank Vaping is the path to eradicate smoking.

The hijacking of Vaping will be exposed.


Sent via iPhone

 

[Yiana]

If they succeed in banning open tank Vaping ... the Black Market will prove the truth about these life-saving devices.

The miracle of a tobacco-free society is staring them straight in the face ... the sheer greed to protect their own financial survival is fuelling the propaganda.

Open tank Vaping is the path to eradicate smoking.

The hijacking of Vaping will be exposed.


Sent via iPhone

If they succeed in banning open tank Vaping ... the Black Market will prove the truth about these life-saving devices.

The miracle of a tobacco-free society is staring them straight in the face ... the sheer greed to protect their own financial survival is fuelling the propaganda.

Open tank Vaping is the path to eradicate smoking.

The hijacking of Vaping will be exposed.


Sent via iPhone

I agree. I started with cigalikes and they really did nothing for me until I stepped up to egos. This was back in 2013. It made the transition from smoking to vaping a real thing for me and I never looked back.

 

[beckdg]

Are you familiar with the Dunning–Kruger effect?

The bias was first experimentally observed by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University in 1999.

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Really?

Seen this happen all my life.

Didn't know it was attributed to someone "finding" it when I was in my twenties.

But yeah.

And now I know what it's called.

Thx ocy.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Yep, the Problem with Weebles and Rich Crooks, hard to knock them over.

[emoji38]

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

The hijacking of Vaping will be exposed.

By criminals.

Tapatyped

 

[VNeil]

The hijacking of Vaping will be exposed

Not as long as the media remains complicit and I think that is the major hurdle we face.

 

[The Ocelot]

[emoji38]

Tapatyped

I kept waiting for it to turn into Whack-a-Mole.

 

[The Ocelot]

Double post - the forum is really lagging for me tonight.