Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[HazyShades]

back when cigarettes suddenly tripled in price you could find them
cheaper in the small Venezuelan gas stations in Miami.
If you bothered to look at the bottom of a pack of smokes you'd notice
the required tax stamp missing...
They found it cheaper to import (smuggle) cigarettes from overseas
and they sold more ciggies than other vendors except
the stores in the Seminole reservation off the Tamiami Trail.

...just sayin'

 

[crxess]

Society has done such a good job of engineering anti-tobacco thought through demonization over these past 40 years that it's now spilled into vaping. And what better way to fuel this prejudice than to "magically" proclaim it as tobacco?

Tagged this to my FB. A good analogy!

 

[HazyShades]

I wish vaping produced butts so I could throw them on their lawn.

LOL...at the rate its going, if vaping produced butts
I'd be out there picking your butts up off their lawns...

 

[VNeil]

LOL...at the rate its going, if vaping produced butts
I'd be out there picking your butts up off their lawns...

If you guys would just Learn To Love Big Brother vape BT cigalikes you could toss spent cartridges on their lawns and HazyShades could pick up after you

 

[HazyShades]

If you guys would just Learn To Love Big Brother vape BT cigalikes you could toss spent cartridges on their lawns and HazyShades could pick up after you

Sure, why not. I'm not proud.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
I'm aware that I could pick up all those "butts"
and extract the leftover nicotine from them in petroleum ether,
alcohol, or PG. But I'd do that only if the butts were all together on the FDA's or White House lawn per what I imagine Bronze meant.

Going to y'all's homes to gather yer butts wouldn't be cost effective.
But I do have a PO box where you can send your spent vape butts...

 

[nicnik]

That is why those execs at
the committee hearings got blind sided. They had every reason to rationally
believe nicotine wasn't addictive and or if it was it wasn't addictive enough
to be the reason for people to keep smoking.

Athough, two of those tobacco execs said they believed "smoking" is not addictive.

 

[wiredlove]

I wish vaping produced butts so I could throw them on their lawn.

When they enacted a tobacco ban here, the students delivered and mailed the head smoking nanny boxes of cigarette butts. I'm sure they went directly in the trash after the first few, but it still amuses me.

 

[nicnik]

I am very sure I went through some very tough withdrawal, peaking on day 4, when I quit smoking. I believe it was chemical in nature. I never want to go through that again. So I can never smoke again. Not one puff.

I feel very confident that any number of cigarettes could not make me want to smoke more than vape. That's after just under 3 years smoke-free.

Similar situations as yours are apparently common on ecf, as well as situations similar to mine. Mine is very comforting and reassuring. I feel very well protected from relapse. Smoking a cigarette would likely reinforce that feeling. For me. And for some other vapers.

That is not to say I can't relate to your situation, which is similar to when I tried other methods of quitting. I was in danger of full relapse from just one drag of a cig, and I knew it (but kept wanting to deny it.)

 

[mikepetro]

Been vaping 100% almost 4 years, I am still scared to death to light up a cigar, my addictive personality being what it is......

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

I wish vaping produced butts so I could throw them on their lawn.

I have a neighbor that mimics coughing whenever he sees me vape. I send my dog over to crap on his grass when he's away.

That'll have to do.

Been vaping 100% almost 4 years, I am still scared to death to light up a cigar, my addictive personality being what it is......

For me it's not so much the nicotine. My tiny brain cells need to be tricked with that hand-to-mouth motion and vapor exhale that looks like smoke. Also the throat hit.

Honestly, I quit cold turkey once and would have taken up knitting except Mrs. Kodiak keeps sharp things away from me now. (I bled all over her new rug once. )

 

[Myrany]

I wish vaping produced butts so I could throw them on their lawn.

Give it time it will. All those spent crappy cartos that are all that we will be left with.

 

[skoony]

I well understand that nicotine by itself is not addictive. I wasn't sure where you were going over the inhaling issue as some causal link to dependency.

This is the part they do not want you to know. There would only be a casual link between
tobacco leaf and health but for one thing. Cigarettes. It's inhaling cigarette smoke that
is the problem. Back in the 70's only 5% or less of tobacco using non cigarette smoker
were considered having a dependency. Health related issues were about 3% or less.
both these are generalizations as cigarette smokers far out numbered other users
by a substantial amount. The dependency rate of cigarette smokers was said to be
30 to maybe 33%. That dwarfed alcohol and other things of concern. The main reason
cigars and pipes were given a waver for so long is because Related illnesses were at
or maybe slightly above non risk groups and in the margin of error. + or - /2-3%.
Since then the rates of non smoking tobacco user illnesses is said to be closer to
10%. I have no idea how it got there. Swedish snuss has proved this wrong.
It's interesting to note the claims of mouth and throat cancer are the direct result
of studies done mostly if not at all in Appalachia where there seemed to be an
extraordinary amount of these cases among users of chewing tobacco. Remember
those posters showing those poor souls and what they looked like after being
operated on? Ever wonder why they looked like extra's from the movie Deliverance?
Some of their relatives very well could of been. Those PSA photo's were all taken
at hospital wards in Appalachia. One we are never told is these people grew their
own tobacco and made their own chew. It was popular to spike the chew with a
variety of things. Almost all was cut with sugar and whisky. Other things included
cleaners popular for use in cleaning auto parts. Then when you consider the fact
most of these people never seen a dentist in their lives and most didn't understand
the concept of oral hygiene It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what
was causing the apparent anomaly in cancer rates. Of course the logical conclusion
was and still is smokeless tobacco is very bad.

Regards
Mike

 

[VNeil]

I feel very confident that any number of cigarettes could not make me want to smoke more than vape. That's after just under 3 years smoke-free.

Similar situations as yours are apparently common on ecf, as well as situations similar to mine. Mine is very comforting and reassuring. I feel very well protected from relapse. Smoking a cigarette would likely reinforce that feeling. For me. And for some other vapers.

That is not to say I can't relate to your situation, which is similar to when I tried other methods of quitting. I was in danger of full relapse from just one drag of a cig, and I knew it (but kept wanting to deny it.)

I don't know that one cig would lead to a relapse. I do know that if I never ever smoke that one cig it is impossible for me to relapse. So far that's worked...

 

[Bronze]

I send my dog over to crap on his grass when he's away.

Maybe that's why he mimics a cough when he sees you vape.

 

[classwife]

Give it time it will. All those spent crappy cartos that are all that we will be left with.

More stuff for the landfills.
Oh well...they are small and could settle down and help fill in small gaps.


Not to mention the birds and other wildlife critters that would enjoy munching on them.

 

[skoony]

Athough, two of those tobacco execs said they believed "smoking" is not addictive.

It's not unreasonable to believe that they would hold those opinions.
Especially as to regards to nicotine which was supposed to be the cause
of the addiction. All this was the result of BT processing the tobacco.
To make a Marlboro a Marlboro no mater where the tobacco was grown,
the conditions it was grown under and other things that would affect
the product they processed the tobacco in such away it would always
be the same Marlboro where ever or when ever you bought one.
It would taste,look and smell the same. One of the first process was
to strip and refine most all of the nicotine out of the leaf and add it back
later to precisely control the amount of nicotine in each cigarette. I
believe they actually had it down to the puff. Other processes controlled
taste and texture etc. . The right amount of each process produced the
tobacco that makes a Marlboro a Marlboro and not a Winston. This is
the reason you can't even call your cigarette mild,regular or strong.
They don't want to public to know or understand that BT was not
trying to make cigarettes more addictive,they were conducting
quality control measures and giving customers what they wanted.

I go as far to even speculate that maybe these processes might in fact
have made the addiction of smoking more powerful but for the fact BT
never hid what they were doing. When asked for documents they freely gave them.
This is what we do to the tobacco. Check this out isn't it kinda neat.
Some in the industry most likely did believe everything their detractors said
about cigarettes was true. Just as many or more did not. I have watched
this whole thing unfold for over 50 years. I have witnessed the rise of the
evil,lying,deceitful,greedy murdering BT. From what I remember at one time the
majority of non-smokers didn't believe all of it either back in the day.
It's interesting to note all these accusations about what BT did or didn't
do are all after the fact. Where was the finger pointing before BT did all
these things they are accused of doing before they did them? I am not
aware of one source of anyone telling BT not to do this because this
will happen.

Regards
Mike

 

[Yiana]

.

I too am unsure why vaping works but I too believe the mimicking of smoking is s major factor. I really enjoyed the act of lighting up and smoking. I learned to really enjoy the act of vaping. I enjoy dripping because for me it mimics lighting up a smoke.

I wholeheartedly agree with above statement. It is the act of hand to mouth, muscle memory, and for me as I progressed the more vapor produced had me as well. But I'm by no means a cloud chaser (no offense to anyone) but I do put out a nice vape cloud, just not over the top.

 

[Yiana]

For me it's not so much the nicotine. My tiny brain cells need to be tricked with that hand-to-mouth motion and vapor exhale that looks like smoke. Also the throat hit.

THIS^^^^ ×1000

I don't know that one cig would lead to a relapse. I do know that if I never ever smoke that one cig it is impossible for me to relapse. So far that's worked...

Same here.

 

[VNeil]

@Yiana -. It seems to me that it takes a lot more vapor to equal the mouth feel of a cig. Some people - even here - say "why blow those clouds, you didn't do that with cigs". They don't account for that.
I'm like you- I don't blow clouds for the sake of blowing clouds but I vape at 25W to get the mouth feel I want.

 

[Pamawoman]

Video removed - Not appropriate for ECF

Not sure if this has been posted yet. Very good interview with the reg watch reporter. Just have to go past the first few minutes of the cursing turdlettes to get to the grown up section. LOL. They do a really good job with this interview.