Just pure speculation here but I'm convinced BT knows exactly what those additives are and exactly why cigs are addictive but nic alone is not.
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Very logical and prudent given people's aversion to truth until it's too late.I don't want to be accused of negative exaggeration. Gives me room to debate.
People just want to believe everything is rose petals, cake and ice cream.
Some of us realize there's way more thorns than flowers and cake and ice cream cause diabetes and heart disease when we overindulge.
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way too much credit. If anybody doubts that perhaps they should remember what Jonathan Gruber, Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor who served as a technical consultant to the White House during the design of Obamacare had to say about American voters.
Obamacare architect: We passed law due to ‘stupidity of the American voter’
The above combined with a constant barrage of disinformation
and propaganda results in people voting with fear instead of intelligence. However, in deference to r1's opinion that the stupidity
of "We the People" is subject for discussion in another thread or forum
I'll let it slide...
Indeed..Forgot they'd been disarmed.No Guns, soon No Smokes and Sharks Guarding the Waters........Free, nope, Still a Prison colony
I'm sure one of our many Ozzie members will surely correct you if necessary and inform us completely shortly..
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Hazy
From the ABillionLives FB page:
A Billion Lives
3 hrs ·
The battle in the US has begun!
Last night we had a private screening for members of Congress, their staff & others fighting to save lives.
Thanks to the American Civil Rights Union, Institute for Liberty, Hispanic Leadership Fund & Frontiers of Freedom for making this happen.
#ABillionLives
A Billion Lives
3 hrs ·
The battle in the US has begun!
Last night we had a private screening for members of Congress, their staff & others fighting to save lives.
Thanks to the American Civil Rights Union, Institute for Liberty, Hispanic Leadership Fund & Frontiers of Freedom for making this happen.
#ABillionLives
Beat me again!
Best thing I've heard in 2 years............Now to find out who attended and their reactions.
Beat me again!
Best thing I've heard in 2 years............Now to find out who attended and their reactions.
They are saying about 100 showed up and Aaron did give a quick speech before and Q&A afterwards.
and this related FB post:
Texas E-cigarette & Vaping Association
16 hrs ·
Just watched "A Billion Lives" and it blew my socks off. One billion lives is how many people cigarettes have killed this century.
I wonder if they were at the private screening or had one of their own.
I am sure you are right because this has been understood since the mid 60's.
They knew this by comparing the nicotine levels of pipe and cigar smokers
with those smoking cigarettes. The majority of pipe/cigar smokers do not
inhale. Most all cigarette smokers do. The dependency level of smoking was so
much higher in cigarette smokers even though depending on how the cigar/pipe
smokers smoked and, quantity smoked at a single time often obtained comparable levels
of nicotine in their systems. The link was those pipe/cigar smokers that did inhale
were more likely to become dependent on tobacco. The one that didn't inhale no
mater the amount in their systems were more likely not to become dependent.
Edit, These results were not from BT testing.
Regards
Mike
Noticeably absent is the ACLU. But then they act almost exclusively at the pleasure of left wing causes only.
Not sure where you're going with that?I am sure you are right because this has been understood since the mid 60's.
They knew this by comparing the nicotine levels of pipe and cigar smokers
with those smoking cigarettes. The majority of pipe/cigar smokers do not
inhale. Most all cigarette smokers do. The dependency level of smoking was so
much higher in cigarette smokers even though depending on how the cigar/pipe
smokers smoked and, quantity smoked at a single time often obtained comparable levels
of nicotine in their systems. The link was those pipe/cigar smokers that did inhale
were more likely to become dependent on tobacco. The one that didn't inhale no
mater the amount in their systems were more likely not to become dependent.
Edit, These results were not from BT testing.
Regards
Mike
It's been general knowledge in the scientific,governmental and,private sectors
that nicotine was not the problem for a long time. That is why those execs at
the committee hearings got blind sided. They had every reason to rationally
believe nicotine wasn't addictive and or if it was it wasn't addictive enough
to be the reason for people to keep smoking. This is the insidious nature of
what we are up against. There isn't any proof indicating if nicotine itself
is addictive and if it is how addictive is it. In clinical trails when nicotine was
administered as a medicine those that never used tobacco did not develop
any dependency. Conversely those that smoked cigarettes did not reduce
their consumption because of the extra nicotine they were getting nor increase
their usage to make up for the nicotine once the treatments stopped.
In all humbleness to tell the truth all I know is I smoked for 38 years.
Why did vaping work so well? Who knows. My guess it's a combination
of the toxins built up over 38 years and my body's recognition of the
nicotine. The reduction of toxins over time weaned me off cigarettes and the
nicotine along with the ritual aspects of mimicking smoking acted as
a placebo and or a combination of all of these. Your guess is as good as
mine.
Regards
Mike
In all humbleness to tell the truth all I know is I smoked for 38 years.
Why did vaping work so well? Who knows. My guess it's a combination
of the toxins built up over 38 years and my body's recognition of the
nicotine. The reduction of toxins over time weaned me off cigarettes and the
nicotine along with the ritual aspects of mimicking smoking acted as
a placebo and or a combination of all of these. Your guess is as good as
mine.
Regards
Mike
Probably one of the Best answers anyone could hope to give.
I well understand that nicotine by itself is not addictive. I wasn't sure where you were going over the inhaling issue as some causal link to dependency.It's been general knowledge in the scientific,governmental and,private sectors
that nicotine was not the problem for a long time. That is why those execs at
the committee hearings got blind sided. They had every reason to rationally
believe nicotine wasn't addictive and or if it was it wasn't addictive enough
to be the reason for people to keep smoking. This is the insidious nature of
what we are up against. There isn't any proof indicating if nicotine itself
is addictive and if it is how addictive is it. In clinical trails when nicotine was
administered as a medicine those that never used tobacco did not develop
any dependency. Conversely those that smoked cigarettes did not reduce
their consumption because of the extra nicotine they were getting nor increase
their usage to make up for the nicotine once the treatments stopped.
In all humbleness to tell the truth all I know is I smoked for 38 years.
Why did vaping work so well? Who knows. My guess it's a combination
of the toxins built up over 38 years and my body's recognition of the
nicotine. The reduction of toxins over time weaned me off cigarettes and the
nicotine along with the ritual aspects of mimicking smoking acted as
a placebo and or a combination of all of these. Your guess is as good as
mine.
Regards
Mike
I too am unsure why vaping works but I too believe the mimicking of smoking is s major factor. I really enjoyed the act of lighting up and smoking. I learned to really enjoy the act of vaping. I enjoy dripping because for me it mimics lighting up a smoke.
I am very sure I went through some very tough withdrawal, peaking on day 4, when I quit smoking. I believe it was chemical in nature. I never want to go through that again. So I can never smoke again. Not one puff.
For those that were here way back in the day, we remember how it was.What they are trying to do, is one of the biggest crimes ever committed against people's health, on the largest scale ever.
Vaping came on so fast ... they are now desperate
You had to be very motivated and persistent to try and stick with electronic cigarettes.
I'm sure the powers that be were watching.
I don't think they were all that worried at the time.
And yeah, the rapid innovation probably caught them a little off guard.
I've said before, this is THE ONLY problem people have with vaping. All the junk science, heart string pulling for the kiddies is just smoke and mirrors carefully crafted to change a "behavoir". Behavior that mimics smoking so well the sanctimonous, arrogant, snobbish, holier-than-thou .......s just don't want to look at it. Society has done such a good job of engineering anti-tobacco thought through demonization over these past 40 years that it's now spilled into vaping. And what better way to fuel this prejudice than to "magically" proclaim it as tobacco?
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