Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[leftyandsparky]

I have loads of wild tobacco in my backyard. The goats won't eat it, so it grows like crazy. While it is poisonous, it's also what the Native Americans in my area smoked and chewed, so there must be a way to prepare it. I might have to look into this.

I had a nanny and a billy goat while I was growing up!

 

[Eskie]

Awww. The FDA is already looking to protect the public The FDA just made it easier to report defective e-cigarettes

I like this part

"There is no known safe tobacco product," said Ii-Lun Chen, a director at the FDA's Center for tobacco Products, "but [the] FDA can play a role in helping prevent certain unexpected health consequences." To that end, users can report burns, allergic reactions, poisoning, and problems with the quality of the product, alongside other issues, using the FDA's online tool. The governmental body will use the information to build "a comprehensive tobacco regulation program" that it says will "ensure all tobacco products have an appropriate level of regulatory oversight."

So if that Vanilla Latte you ordered tastes crappy, just report it to the FDA to further the case of "problems with quality". Oh, and don't forget any of those leaky tanks you have.

 

[The Ocelot]

Awww. The FDA is already looking to protect the public The FDA just made it easier to report defective e-cigarettes

I like this part


So if that Vanilla Latte you ordered tastes crappy, just report it to the FDA to further the case of "problems with quality". Oh, and don't forget any of those leaky tanks you have.

The resistance of my coil is fluctuating.

 

[HazyShades]

I have loads of coyote tobacco in my backyard. The goats won't eat it, so it grows like crazy. While it is poisonous, it's also what the Native Americans in my area smoked and chewed, so there must be a way to prepare it. I might have to look into this.

This
Nicotiana attenuata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
is what you have?

 

[HazyShades]

Awww. The FDA is already looking to protect the public The FDA just made it easier to report defective e-cigarettes

I like this part


So if that Vanilla Latte you ordered tastes crappy, just report it to the FDA to further the case of "problems with quality". Oh, and don't forget any of those leaky tanks you have.

One of the first things totalitarian governments do is establish
spy apparatus, neighborhood watch groups, numbers to anonymously turn in violators..

 

[The Ocelot]

This
Nicotiana attenuata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
is what you have?

We call it "Coyote Tobacco," but it could be "Desert Tobacco." I'm going to look at the leaves tomorrow.
Nicotiana obtusifolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ETA: Or maybe Nicotiana clevelandii - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The pictures all look similar.

 

[HazyShades]

We call it "Coyote Tobacco," but it could be "Desert Tobacco." I'm going to look at the leaves tomorrow.
Nicotiana obtusifolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks like those dudes had several "brands.." they could put down the bowl of their calumets.
This Lobelia inflata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
is what I know as indian tobacco..It has interesting aphrodisiacal side
effects (Ha! Beat the spell checker again!)

 

[The Ocelot]

I was looking to see if there was information online about what wild tobacco plants are native to my area, which, of course, led me to the Reno-Sparks Indian Colony. We have a pretty large native population here and they are had to miss - there is reservation land in the middle of town (I used to buy my cigarettes there). What I didn't realize was how far down the street from the smoke shop they own. I love this:

"In an effort to diversify the Colony’s general fund from sole reliance on tobacco revenues, the Colony has leased and developed its commercial sites. Tenants include Mercedes Benz of Reno, Acura of Reno, Infinity of Reno, Wal-Mart, and many other locally owned and operated businesses. Revenues from the Colony’s real estate projects provide funds for the Colony’s government which provides essential services to its members, residents and other urban Indians."

 

[The Ocelot]

Looks like those dudes had several "brands.." they could put down the bowl of their calumets.
This Lobelia inflata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
is what I know as indian tobacco..It has interesting aphrodisiacal side
effects (Ha! Beat the spell checker again!)

Lobelia doesn't grow here, it's too dry.

I think you might be right about it being Nicotiana attenuata. I found a BLM pdf listing native plants in the area historically used by Paitues and it listed Indian, Coyote and Wild Tobacco as all being Nicotiana attenuata.

 

[HazyShades]

Lobelia doesn't grow here, it's too dry.

I think you might be right about it being Nicotiana attenuata. I found a BLM pdf listing native plants in the area historically used by Paitues and it listed Indian, Coyote and Wild Tobacco as all being Nicotiana attenuata.

Are you considering extracting the nicotine from nicotiana attenuata
to make juice? You don't want to combust...
I'm curious about the attenuata part of the classification.
What's attenuated about it?

 

[HazyShades]

I was looking to see if there was information online about what wild tobacco plants are native to my area, which, of course, led me to the Reno-Sparks Indian Colony. We have a pretty large native population here and they are had to miss - there is reservation land in the middle of town (I used to buy my cigarettes there). What I didn't realize was how far down the street from the smoke shop they own. I love this:

"In an effort to diversify the Colony’s general fund from sole reliance on tobacco revenues, the Colony has leased and developed its commercial sites. Tenants include Mercedes Benz of Reno, Acura of Reno, Infinity of Reno, Wal-Mart, and many other locally owned and operated businesses. Revenues from the Colony’s real estate projects provide funds for the Colony’s government which provides essential services to its members, residents and other urban Indians."

The Seminoles have a Casino. The Tiger family is quite wealthy.
Edit: The Miccosukees too:
Miccosukee Resort & Conference Hotel, which includes gaming facilities...

 

[The Ocelot]

Are you considering extracting the nicotine from nicotiana attenuata
to make juice? You don't want to combust...
I'm curious about the attenuata part of the classification.
What's attenuated about it?

Lol! I was wondering about "attenuated" too.

I'm too chicken to try and extract nicotine from it (without someone here personally showing me how - then vaping it to prove I wouldn't get sick), but I'm curious to find out if anyone has.

 

[The Ocelot]

The Seminoles have a Casino. The Tiger family is quite wealthy.

I'm in Nevada, so casinos don't excite me. I just love the irony of Wal-Mart leasing land from the Colony.

 

[HazyShades]

Lol! I was wondering about "attenuated" too.

I'm too chicken to try an extract nicotine from it (without someone here personally showing me how - then vaping it to prove I wouldn't get sick), but I'm curious to find out if anyone has.

I don't see that it would be much different that extracting it from pipe tobacco.
All I do is soak it in PG for a few months. It works.
Works with lots of stuff.
You want to look at the chemical make up of it
just in case it contains poisonous chemicals or psychoactives other than
nicotine that might be harmful in a concentrate.

 

[HazyShades]

I'm in Nevada, so casinos don't excite me. I just love the irony of Wal-Mart leasing land from the Colony.

Casinos don't excite me either. It's an example of why their Walmart and other real estate holdings and similar investments don't surprise me.
I used to drive out to the reservation for cartons of smokes..they often had lines waiting.

 

[WillyZee]

One of the first things totalitarian governments do is establish
spy apparatus, neighborhood watch groups, numbers to anonymously turn in violators..

Worked for Saddam Hussein.


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[wiredlove]

The resistance of my coil is fluctuating.

"my buttons feel... Squishy"
"My drip tip is too loose"
"My AFC spins too freely"
"My tank leaks fluid... ecig, not Abrams"

 

[Verb]

The biggest problem e-cigarettes has is that people inhale them and a cloud is exhaled. To the uninformed, it mimics smoking too much so, therefore, it has to be bad. Patches and gum do not have this image problem.

It sucks, because to the new exsmoker sight and feel are a big part of why quitting with vaping is so much easier than other methods.

Folks make judgements in a split second. Image is powerful in our brains. If we were shooting up or snorting powders to ingest nicotine, the public would probably have a bigger issue than with the clouds we now make. But, they probably wouldn't be equating it to smoking.

 

[skoony]

I previously mentioned the Dunning Kruger effect. It comes out of research conducted by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University since 1999. Their results indicate stupidity is not a choice, nor can be fixed by education. A way to summarize these results is to say that those who are truly stupid are too stupid to realize that they are stupid. As Dunning has put it:

"If you're incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent.… [T]he skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."

what if Dunning kruger suffered from dunning Kruger effect?

@skoony @VNeil

Do you inhale? Then you're better off smoking Philip Morris.

The majority of the population including non-smokers pretty much believed
what those executives believed at that time.

Regards
Mike

 

[LittleBird]

This week I visited the three vape shops that are within a 10 mile radius of home. All were at least somewhat informed about deeming; none provided literature to their customers on the subject. I don't understand. I asked, and I still don't understand.