This is Lessifer's first post in the exchange:
Should shops do all they can to change things?? Yes. And I agree with Mazinny - wouldn't it be nice if just 50% of the shops would inform their customers - Yes.
But then Less says: "What good does it do to keep customers in the dark?"
Here is where the problem starts. Because it implies (stronger than implies - states outright) that the business has an intention to "keep customers uninformed".
An
observation in reality is one thing.
Assigning intent (which one never knows) is another. And this is mainly the problem.
I tried to explain it - albeit unsuccessfully to Lessifer (and evidently you) - here:
And it's an
either/or situation - the observation may be from a 5-15 minute visit to a shop (or later "many shops" and from you "dozens of shops") - this is basically the
Anecdotal fallacy – using a personal experience or an isolated example instead of sound reasoning or compelling evidence.
OR the intentionally "keeping customers in the dark" is a
conclusion based, not on an observation itself. From where does this "conclusion" come? Either there is more actual evidence
that has not been stated - for example, say the person talked to the owner and the owner said - 'we're just keeping the customers in the dark on this, no need to involve them' which would tend to explain such a declaration...
OR it is from a bias of the person making the observation
and conclusion of intent.
I acknowledge there are 'anecdotals' on 'both sides' - some shops saying nothing, some shops saying and displaying CASAA stuff with letters to sign and informing their customers of the situation:
I have been in many discussion with Lessifer and while I know that we have some differences in views, we have 'liked' many of each others posts in the past. And while I don't claim to have read every post of his, I have read almost all of his in these types of forums. And I
never recall him ever either misreading so badly or misrepresenting - by putting words in the mouths of those with whom he takes up a point, like he has multiple times in this exchange. Things I never said. Perhaps others who have similarly exchanged with him, could point me to such cases, but personally I have never seen it, prior to this. I
expect it from some others and they usually comply :- ) ...but not from Lessifer, which is now a source of disappointment to put it mildly.
