Will certainly be interesting to see, California is a regulation/label happy state, they won't be happy if they don't get to play.
I just noticed that the fiberglass driveway markers I bought a few years ago have a proposition 65 warning on them.
Will certainly be interesting to see, California is a regulation/label happy state, they won't be happy if they don't get to play.
Great, I hope you succeed. Do you think they'd have the same agglomeration of idiots sitting around with those same childish expressions of horror and concern at what a liar their esteemed Dr. JJ is?I couldn't even finish this. I'll be writing the producers to demand they present the full truth and get on guys like godshall, bates, Farsalinos and others as guests.
I know that federal trumps state, unless state is more strict.
I just noticed that the fiberglass driveway markers I bought a few years ago have a proposition 65 warning on them.![]()
From here: Bill Text - SBX2-7 Tobacco products: minimum legal age.Les, as you and I know very well, there are no CA state laws that prohibit online sales of tobacco products, period. The only law that restricts online sales of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco is the PACT Act--that's a federal law and PACT doesn't even cover cigars or e-cigarettes. That's the law. So even if CA could somehow amend the federal law to include vapor products, which it can't do and hasn't done yet, BTW, adult signature upon delivery is all that's required.
SEC. 6.
Section 22963 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read:
22963.
(a) The sale, distribution, or nonsale distribution of tobacco products directly or indirectly to any person under 21 years of age through the United States Postal Service or through any other public or private postal or package delivery service at locations, including, but not limited to, public mailboxes and mailbox stores, is prohibited.
(b) Any person selling or distributing, or engaging in the nonsale distribution of, tobacco products directly to a consumer in the state through the United States Postal Service or by any other public or private postal or package delivery service, including orders placed by mail, telephone, facsimile transmission, or the Internet, shall comply with the following provisions:
(1) (A) Before enrolling a person as a customer, or distributing or selling, or engaging in the nonsale distribution of, the tobacco product through any of these means, the distributor or seller shall verify that the purchaser or recipient of the product is 21 years of age or older. The distributor or seller shall attempt to match the name, address, and date of birth provided by the customer to information contained in records in a database of individuals whose age has been verified to be 21 years or older by reference to an appropriate database of government records kept by the distributor, a direct marketing firm, or any other entity. In the case of a sale, the distributor or seller shall also verify that the billing address on the check or credit card offered for payment by the purchaser matches the address listed in the database.
(B) If the seller, distributor, or nonsale distributor, is unable to verify that the purchaser or recipient is 21 years of age or older pursuant to subparagraph (A), he or she shall require the customer or recipient to submit an age-verification kit consisting of an attestation signed by the customer or recipient that he or she is 21 years of age or older and a copy of a valid form of government identification. For the purposes of this section, a valid form of government identification includes a driver’s license, state identification card, passport, an official naturalization or immigration document, such as an alien registration receipt card (commonly known as a “green card”) or an immigrant visa, or military identification. In the case of a sale, the distributor or seller shall also verify that the billing address on the check or credit card provided by the consumer matches the address listed in the form of government identification.
(3) In the case of a sale, the distributor or seller shall make a telephone call after 5 p.m. to the purchaser confirming the order prior to shipping the tobacco products. The telephone call may be a person-to-person call or a recorded message. The distributor or seller is not required to speak directly with a person and may leave a message on an answering machine or by voice mail.
(4) The nonsale distributor shall deliver the tobacco product to the recipient’s verified mailing address, or in the case of a sale, the seller or distributor shall deliver the tobacco product to the purchaser’s verified billing address on the check or credit card used for payment. No delivery described under this section shall be permitted to any post office box.
Remember that even though the state of California allows the sale of ____ with a prescription, it's still federally illegal, and people are not being prosecuted because the administration is choosing to not enforce.You sure? Ever heard of sanctuary cities?
What a bloody mess.
This is what I've been wondering...Since they won't be able to make any changes to their packaging/labeling after August 8th, they had better pick the most strict rule now, get in compliance, and hope that's enough for the future.
Well, at least they made military exempt. Ronald Reagan wouldn't have. Didn't for alcohol anyway.What Cal tobacco codes, exactly? The new bills that Brown signed raise the legal age to buy tobacco products to 21 (military personnel are exempt) and CA now considers vapor products to be tobacco products--again, 21 to buy, you can't vape where you can't smoke, etc. What else is there?
New product, new PMTA. I believe.This is what I've been wondering...
What happens when some who supplies one of you flavor components...
Changes their recipe?
This is what I've been wondering...
What happens when some who supplies one of you flavor components...
Changes their recipe?
Or... If your bottle manufacturer changes the color of the cap.This is what I've been wondering...
What happens when some who supplies one of you flavor components...
Changes their recipe?
Right, I believe that means they have to use an actual age verification service like LexisNexis, but I'd say the majority of online vendors don't actually use ANY age verification at this point.Right. However:
(1) (A) Before enrolling a person as a customer, or distributing or selling, or engaging in the nonsale distribution of, the tobacco product through any of these means, the distributor or seller shall verify that the purchaser or recipient of the product is 21 years of age or older. The distributor or seller shall attempt to match the name, address, and date of birth provided by the customer to information contained in records in a database of individuals whose age has been verified to be 21 years or older by reference to an appropriate database of government records kept by the distributor, a direct marketing firm, or any other entity. In the case of a sale, the distributor or seller shall also verify that the billing address on the check or credit card offered for payment by the purchaser matches the address listed in the database.
My reading--any seller can do this provided they have the said customer's name, shipping and billing address, cc number, and age. Right? I don't know exactly how they are supposed to this, but there must be a way, because, otherwise, why would this option be included?
Hence, only (B) If the seller, distributor, or nonsale distributor, is unable to verify that the purchaser or recipient is 21 years of age or older pursuant to subparagraph (A), he or she shall require the customer or recipient to submit an age-verification kit.
Discuss.
This is what I've been wondering...
What happens when someone who supplies one of your flavor components...
Makes an ever-so-slight tweak to their recipe?
Right, I believe that means they have to use an actual age verification service like LexisNexis,
Thought it would be Texas![]()
New product, new PMTA. I believe.
This is what I've been wondering...
What happens when someone who supplies one of your flavor components...
Makes an ever-so-slight tweak to their recipe?
New product, new PMTA. I believe.
And how is this going to be enforced, pray tell?
You're going to have agents running tests on every bottle of eliquid sold in the country?
They've had the most signatures on petitions, than any other state. Hawaii and Alaska have similar movements to secede.
Its ok, but we're keeping the waterWe want to secede from NoCal.
Sorry, Les.![]()