We need an insider to spring a Leak
Maybe there's another Siegel.... it would be nice if it were one of their 'scientists' though....
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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Maybe there's another Siegel.... it would be nice if it were one of their 'scientists' though....
CASAA has never asked me for a dime. Ask and ye shall receive. But I sent them something anyway.
There's plenty more they could do. Why not have local chapters?
Kind of shocked that they're also an advocate for chew (smokeless tobacco).
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I'm sorry too. If I were in their shoes I'd be all over this thread like stink on censored.Respectfully, this is NOT the time to point fingers at a given "organization" and or "leader" in a public forum where these kinds of thoughts may diminish the effectiveness of our collective fight. Think of an increase in apathy. If you have thoughts then the best way is to send an email/form to the respective "organization" and or "leader" jam packed with respectful, candid, and civil details.
I'm quite sure that if say Julie, Lou, or Ray had the opportunity to respond to your thoughts, then your perspective might be different. Trust me, I've corresponded (on background) with all three privately and I don't mince words. For me, it was always a learning experience since I don't walk in their shoes. Sometimes we agreed and other times we did not but that's to be expected.
Color me "disappointed" and the last time I saw these kinds of finger pointing posts on ECF was with Lou/AEMSA.
Just some food for thought and my 2 cents.
Stay Strong! Fight! Stock Up!
They encourage donations and purchasing swag, etc.
Roundabout asking.
Which most don't respond to.
Yes, I've given also.
No volunteers?
Staying true to a mission statement?
Tapatyped
Facebook Discussion with an ill informed Human.
After Quotes on 59%+ less harmful than smoking, with RCP Reference,
Cleaner than normal Air Exhale - Dr F.,Same Rederick!
Finally found the right Question to ask a non-Smoker to shut them up...
Me: Okay, please advise me on the Unhealthy aspect of Vaping?
Him: like i said. you are putting a foreign substance into your lungs that does not naturally belong there repeatedly. hundreds of times a day.
Me: Yet you are not defining any harm? We swallow millions of particles every day with every breath. Please explain the Claimed harm.
Him:
I guess he is trying to Google something 
His comeback: you said it yourself. 95% safer. what about that 5%??
Me: I said At Least(could end up 100%) and don't forget those particles you and I inhale Daily.
After Quotes on 59%+ less harmful than smoking, with RCP Reference,
Cleaner than normal Air Exhale - Dr F.,Same Rederick!
Finally found the right Question to ask a non-Smoker to shut them up...
Me: Okay, please advise me on the Unhealthy aspect of Vaping?
Him: like i said. you are putting a foreign substance into your lungs that does not naturally belong there repeatedly. hundreds of times a day.
Me: Yet you are not defining any harm? We swallow millions of particles every day with every breath. Please explain the Claimed harm.
Him:
His comeback: you said it yourself. 95% safer. what about that 5%??
Me: I said At Least(could end up 100%) and don't forget those particles you and I inhale Daily.
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Got a reply from my senater. very vague answer that says, run along young thug, run along. However I am glad they took the time to respond:
Thank you for contacting me about the sale of tobacco and e-cigarettes.
The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which was signed into law in 2009, gives the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) broad statutory authority to regulate the manufacture, distribution, advertising, sale, and use of cigarettes and other tobacco products. Among its provisions, the law prohibits the sale of tobacco products to any person under age eighteen. This year, the FDA issued a final rule that extends regulatory authority to e-cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco, deeming that these products meet the statutory definition of "tobacco product."
Prior to passage of this rule, cigars and e-cigarettes were largely unregulated. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the percentage of U.S. middle and high school students who use electronic cigarettes more than doubled from 2011 to 2012. The study also found that over 75 percent of middle and high school students who used e-cigarettes within the past 30 days also smoked conventional cigarettes in the same period.
Public health has been a priority of mine throughout my career in public service. During my term as Governor, we passed a smoking ban in restaurants with exceptions for outdoor areas and establishments with separately ventilated smoking rooms. Private clubs were also exempt from the ban. Virginia spends millions each year on illnesses related to secondhand smoke, and addressing health care costs is important.
On May 1st, 2015, Representative Tom Cole introduced the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act, legislation that would exempt some manufacturers from the required pre-market review of tobacco products under current law. This legislation has been referred to the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
I will be sure to keep your views in mind should the Senate consider legislation affecting tobacco and e-cigarette regulation. Thank you again for contacting me.
Sincerely,
Thank you for contacting me about the sale of tobacco and e-cigarettes.
The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which was signed into law in 2009, gives the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) broad statutory authority to regulate the manufacture, distribution, advertising, sale, and use of cigarettes and other tobacco products. Among its provisions, the law prohibits the sale of tobacco products to any person under age eighteen. This year, the FDA issued a final rule that extends regulatory authority to e-cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco, deeming that these products meet the statutory definition of "tobacco product."
Prior to passage of this rule, cigars and e-cigarettes were largely unregulated. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the percentage of U.S. middle and high school students who use electronic cigarettes more than doubled from 2011 to 2012. The study also found that over 75 percent of middle and high school students who used e-cigarettes within the past 30 days also smoked conventional cigarettes in the same period.
Public health has been a priority of mine throughout my career in public service. During my term as Governor, we passed a smoking ban in restaurants with exceptions for outdoor areas and establishments with separately ventilated smoking rooms. Private clubs were also exempt from the ban. Virginia spends millions each year on illnesses related to secondhand smoke, and addressing health care costs is important.
On May 1st, 2015, Representative Tom Cole introduced the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act, legislation that would exempt some manufacturers from the required pre-market review of tobacco products under current law. This legislation has been referred to the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
I will be sure to keep your views in mind should the Senate consider legislation affecting tobacco and e-cigarette regulation. Thank you again for contacting me.
Sincerely,
Likely because you've bought into the lie that all tobacco products are dangerous. American chew and dip are almost totally harmless.
Is she wearing a ankle monitor?
Mike
I believe it's a shoe strap, but it should be an ankle monitor...
FYI: Published today in the Federal Register:
Tobacco Product Manufacturing Facility Visits
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Center for Tobacco Products (CTP) is announcing an invitation for participation in its Tobacco Product Manufacturing Facility Visits. This program is intended to give FDA staff an opportunity to visit facilities involved in the manufacturing of newly deemed tobacco products and their components and parts, including any related laboratory testing, and to observe the manufacturing operations of the tobacco industry. The purpose of this document is to invite parties interested in participating in Tobacco Product Manufacturing Facility Visits to submit requests to CTP.
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Sure FDA, I'm inviting you to my mixing station in my kitchen. /lol /joke
Tobacco Product Manufacturing Facility Visits
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Center for Tobacco Products (CTP) is announcing an invitation for participation in its Tobacco Product Manufacturing Facility Visits. This program is intended to give FDA staff an opportunity to visit facilities involved in the manufacturing of newly deemed tobacco products and their components and parts, including any related laboratory testing, and to observe the manufacturing operations of the tobacco industry. The purpose of this document is to invite parties interested in participating in Tobacco Product Manufacturing Facility Visits to submit requests to CTP.
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Sure FDA, I'm inviting you to my mixing station in my kitchen. /lol /joke
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your references to volunteers and mission statement.
Yea, they probably need some on site in Top manufacturers to figure out what they can DEEM Unacceptable
After the Open Comments Debacle - No thanks.
Nope. I know of 3 that are laughing at the FDA right now. A little discreet packaging with no logos and labeling such as "light bulbs" goes a long way.
I wouldn't underestimate the temptation for a little FDA azz-kissing. And it wouldn't surprise me if Johnson Creek (depending on their current hormone levels today) will most likely jump on this.
How can the FDA count on me to make my bread, pies, cakes......most anything in my kitchen in a sanitary environment, with healthy ingredients and in a prescribed manner? Wonder what PMTA the Colorado "brownies" had to go through.
Aaaah no it's not, I used to chew. It's far from being harmless....
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But wait! You mean your kitchen isn't ISO certified?How can the FDA count on me to make my bread, pies, cakes......most anything in my kitchen in a sanitary environment, with healthy ingredients and in a prescribed manner? Wonder what PMTA the Colorado "brownies" had to go through.
And don't tell me you share pies with your friends and neighbors ? Oh, the horror!
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