Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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That's a bad@ss vapin rig he's wearing...where do I get one?How about:
LOL...shoulda known FT! (is it genuine StarFleet or a knockoff?)
Re state's regulating e-liquid instead of the FDA, that is iffy at best. Here is an excerpt from an Indiana vendor explaining why they can't sell e-liquid after this month. They did apply for the state permit, here is what happened:
Even though we were 100% compliant with the requirements of the law, we were still denied a permit, as we did not have the right friends in the right places to be one of the 6 companies that did receive a permit, two of which have yet to manufacture a single drop of e-liquid to date.
Even though we were 100% compliant with the requirements of the law, we were still denied a permit, as we did not have the right friends in the right places to be one of the 6 companies that did receive a permit, two of which have yet to manufacture a single drop of e-liquid to date.
Bet he wasn't thinking Sub-ohm builds
One of my favorite Feynman quotes...
"If I could explain it to the average person, it wouldn't have been worth the Nobel prize."
Committee Membership
The Committee shall consist of 12 members including the Chair. Members and the Chair are selected by the Commissioner or designee from among individuals knowledgeable in the fields of medicine, medical ethics, science, or technology involving the manufacture, evaluation, or use of tobacco products. Members will be invited to serve for overlapping terms of up to fours years. Almost all non-Federal members of this committee serve as Special Government Employees. The Committee shall include nine technically qualified voting members, selected by the Commissioner or designee. The nine voting members shall be physicians, dentists, scientists, or health care professionals practicing in the area of oncology, pulmonology, cardiology, toxicology, pharmacology, addiction, or any other relevant specialty. One member shall be an officer or employee of a state or local government or of the Federal Government. The final voting member shall be a representative of the general public. In addition to the voting members, the Committee shall include 3 non-voting members who are identified with industry interests. These members shall include one representative of the tobacco manufacturing industry, one representative of the interests of tobacco growers, and one representative of the interests of the small business tobacco manufacturing industry. This final position can be filled on a rotating, sequential basis by representatives of different small business tobacco manufacturers based on areas of expertise relevant to the topics being considered by the committee.
How is this evidence of a conspiracy ?
The makeup of the committee is openly published and the three members representing the tobacco industry and tobacco growers can not vote.
My interest is saving vaping as we know it, and i honestly believe going on and on about a conspiracy ( absent any evidence ) and engaging in hyperbole, is counter productive, and will hurt our credibility with the general public. If you all disagree, by all means, have at it
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Sorry to say this, but you stepped in it this time...
Federal judge to FDA: Tobacco advisory panel tainted by conflicts of interest | R Street
Tobacco Truth: Federal Judge to FDA: Tobacco Advisory Panel Tainted by Conflicts of Interest
I'll find more, but I wanted to be the first one in...
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Discussed ad-nauseum when the commity was formed.
Committee Membership
The Committee shall consist of 12 members including the Chair. Members and the Chair are selected by the Commissioner or designee from among individuals knowledgeable in the fields of medicine, medical ethics, science, or technology involving the manufacture, evaluation, or use of tobacco products. Members will be invited to serve for overlapping terms of up to fours years. Almost all non-Federal members of this committee serve as Special Government Employees. The Committee shall include nine technically qualified voting members, selected by the Commissioner or designee. The nine voting members shall be physicians, dentists, scientists, or health care professionals practicing in the area of oncology, pulmonology, cardiology, toxicology, pharmacology, addiction, or any other relevant specialty. One member shall be an officer or employee of a state or local government or of the Federal Government. The final voting member shall be a representative of the general public. In addition to the voting members, the Committee shall include 3 non-voting members who are identified with industry interests. These members shall include one representative of the tobacco manufacturing industry, one representative of the interests of tobacco growers, and one representative of the interests of the small business tobacco manufacturing industry. This final position can be filled on a rotating, sequential basis by representatives of different small business tobacco manufacturers based on areas of expertise relevant to the topics being considered by the committee.
How is this evidence of a conspiracy ?
The makeup of the committee is openly published and the three members representing the tobacco industry and tobacco growers can not vote.
My interest is saving vaping as we know it, and i honestly believe going on and on about a conspiracy ( absent any evidence ) and engaging in hyperbole, is counter productive, and will hurt our credibility with the general public. If you all disagree, by all means, have at it
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Is Secession Legal?
It is truly and wisely remarked by the Federalist, that “a power over a man’s subsistence is a power over his will.” As little as possible of this power should be entrusted to the federal government, and even that little should be watched by a power authorized and competent to arrest its abuses.
During the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania outlined “the distinction between a federal and a national supreme government; the former being a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties, the latter having a complete and compulsive operation.
I read both articles linked. Are you trying to prove a conspiracy between FDA and Big Tobacco by linking to articles where a judge ruled three members of the committee have a conflict of interest, as a result of a complaint actually filed by big tobacco ( Lorillard ) !?
Again, where is the conspiracy ?
Again, where is the conspiracy ?
I really don't understand where you're going with this.
If you don't believe that Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, Big Government, Tobacco Control, etc. all get together behind closed doors (with cigars in hand) and figure out what they want to do about everything and anything, then I don't know what I can say to even try to convince you. It seems so obvious that I'm not sure what you're missing. It's simply the way the world works.
If your primary concern is about "proving" some legal definition of "conspiracy" then that's not in my wheelhouse. My wife passed the bar but that doesn't make me (nor even her) and expert on how to bring down the FDA through the court of law.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
It's not a question of what i "believe" . I just don't think it's good strategy to go on about a conspiracy we can't prove. Conjecture, supposition, speculation and " beliefs " etc... do not rise to the level of proof needed to demonstrate conspiracy.
We have a very strong argument against the deemings without resorting to the conspiracy card, which imo weakens our position in the court of public opinion, based on my conversations with family members and friends. Anyhow, that's just my opinion. I'm done with this topic. Carry on
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I think Chicago and Cook County raised their combined e-liquid tax to $1/ml to $1.50/ml. I quit going to vape shops in January when the tax was to be implemented, so I would not know.
I'm too busy on ECF and buying for the vapocalypse to care anymore. The vape shops did little to nothing to get people on board. Every man and woman for themselves. It's not greed, it has everything to do with survival.
If you think I'm paying $45 for a 30ml bottle of e-liquid...
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