Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[VNeil]

Sucking all that stuff into our lungs cannot be healthier than not sucking it in there.
Then comparing it to unhealthy diets?
That was not my point, vaping is less unhealthy than lots of things we do but not more healthy than not vaping.

It can indeed be healthier. Over 53,000 Americans die from pneumonia each year. Another 100,000 die of other assorted respiratory infections. You refused to even aknowledge the health benefits I mentioned regarding the antibacterial properties of PG. Your belief is a pure act of faith, devoid of evidence. Your beliefs are based on propaganda but those propagandized are never aware of it. Otherwise it wouldn't be very good propaganda, would it?

If vaping reduces the incidents of respiratory infection by even 10% that would save 5,000 - 15,000 lives per year. Yet you cannot accept that simple mathematical fact, and my 10% hypothetical is likely to be conservative.

 

[rothenbj]

It can indeed be healthier. Over,53,000 Americans die from pneumonia each year. Anothetv100,000 die of other assorted respiratory infections. You refused to even aknowledge the health benefits I mentioned regarding the antibacterial properties of PG. Your belief is a pure act of faith, devoid of evidence. Your beliefs are based on propaganda but those propagandized are never aware of it. Otherwise it wouldn't be very good propaganda, would it?

If vaping reduces the incidents of respiratory infection by even 10% that would save 5,000 - 15,000 lives per year. Yet you cannot accept that simple mathematical fact, and my 10% hypothetical is likely to be conservative.

When I was vaping heavily, back in the day, I'd get a cold a year and it lasted a day or two. This was after my normal two a year that would last weeks, if not months, when I smoked. As I've vaped less and less, the colds are harder to get rid of. I had one this spring and I forced myself to vape more than normal and I was cleared up in about half a week. Anecdotal, sure, but after 6 plus years, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence, particularly compared to the decades of smoking.

 

[VNeil]

When I was vaping heavily, back in the day, I'd get a cold a year and it lasted a day or two. This was after my normal two a year that would last weeks, if not months, when I smoked. As I've vaped less and less, the colds are harder to get rid of. I had one this spring and I forced myself to vape more than normal and I was cleared up in about half a week. Anecdotal, sure, but after 6 plus years, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence, particularly compared to the decades of smoking.

There is a HUGE body of anecdotal evidence that the govt is ignoring because it interferes with their propaganda campaign insisting there must be something wrong with vaping. The success of that campaign is obvious here on this forum for anyone that cares to open up their minds. Unfortunately those people are few and far between.

 

[mattiem]

My anecdotal evidence...Before vaping entered my life almost 5 years ago I would get at least 3 colds/flu like symptoms every year. Occasionally it would get bad enough to warrant a visit to the doctors office (my very least favorite thing to have to do) for a round of antibiotics. I have not had so much as a case of the sniffles since I switched from smoking to vaping.

Put that up your pipe and smoke it FDA!!!!!!!!!! I have read hundreds of posts right here on this forum that report the exact same thing.

 

[AngiBe]

Well, apparently, the jerks in Indiana passed a stupid law that goes into effect July 1st and I'm not even sure what it all entails bcuz I'm too ADHD to read it all but I'm thinking my buying days of my fav juices over the internet is coming to an end. I'm so upset

 

[wiredlove]

Well, apparently, the jerks in Indiana passed a stupid law that goes into effect July 1st and I'm not even sure what it all entails bcuz I'm too ADHD to read it all but I'm thinking my buying days of my fav juices over the internet is coming to an end. I'm so upset

I believe there's a whole thread on it but kittens are a lot nicer.

Seems like they formed a state sanctioned monopoly for eliquids via a local security firm that applicants have to use since they're the only security firm in the country that meets the requirements.

Edit: you're a couple of hours from Louisville, so there's that.

 

[ericbnc]

I feel for all of you, but living in NC with our reasonable 5 cent per ml surcharge as the only requirement makes me sleep easy even if I don't know which bathroom to go sneak a vape in.

Seriously though, we are broke and as hosed as the rest of you.

 

[Kenna]

I found a local article discussing Johnson's letter to the FDA. Which didn't add anything new to the convo. Until I read the comments...omg they are hard to read. Not a single comment in favor with what he is doing.

Johnson asks FDA if it considered job losses in issuing e-cig regulations

I find it a little bizarre that all of those commentx sound like they were made by the same person. Ignore the different names & the fact that they are seperate posts. Just read them all together. One runs seamlessly into the next. And you have to be a subscriber to the regular paper at a minimum, or pay to comment on the digital edition. I do believe the paper is using their comment section to campaign against Senator Johnson. Any pro comments could be edited out. As if WI has zero vapers that subscribe to this rag.

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[wiredlove]

I find it a little bizarre that all of those commentx sound like they were made by the same person. Igore the different names & the fact that they are seperate posts. Just read them all together. One runs seamlessly into the next. And you have to be a subscriber to the regular paper at a minimum, or pay to comment on the digital edition. I do believe the paper is using their comment section to campaign against Senator Johnson. Any pro comments could be edited out. As if WI has zero vapers that subscribe to this rag.

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Someone somewhere in one of the threads mentioned that it seemed like the ANTZ sent out a call to action on that article, which may explain the similar wording...

 

[Bronze]

Well, apparently, the jerks in Indiana passed a stupid law that goes into effect July 1st and I'm not even sure what it all entails bcuz I'm too ADHD to read it all but I'm thinking my buying days of my fav juices over the internet is coming to an end. I'm so upset

Gotta read the law closely. I'm sure there is a way around it. See exactly what is prohibited. Then do an end around. Ship it to a friend or family member in Illinois and they can ship it to your house, etc...

 

[skoony]

Are we about to see every major vape hardware company out there be bought up by big tobacco? Is big tobacco going to bring out a rebranded Kangertech dripbox?


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BT won't have to buy anyone out. They have plenty of patents from their own
research over the years. Besides they do not want main stream vaping gear.
They need people to smoke cigarettes to get the addiction cycle started.
The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep

People who have not used tobacco do not develop dependency to nicotine.
This is what ultimately all the hysteria is all about. This is why vaping must
be destroyed. This is why I have always maintained they were and,did go
after everything. You can not collect sin taxes from a product that does
not cause dependency. People would just laugh and take there dollars and
use them elsewhere.

Look at it this way. The dependency rate for drinkers is roughly between
10 to 12 %. That 10 to 12 percent consumes the majority of alcoholic beverages
purchased.
Think you drink a lot? This chart will tell you.

The dependency rate of smokers was said to be roughly 30% back in my
day. Today I see figures like 60 or 80% depending on the source. It seems
a lot of the research is intermingled with studying quit rates at various age
groups and finding a dependency rate of the total is hard to nail down.
My point is vaping ends it all. With no dependency there is no anything
caused by smoking. No vaping till you die because your addicted. No
guaranteed tax revenue because you can just walk away. No Big Medicine
siphoning off your retirement money to buy their cancer drugs and treatments.
I have perused a lot of the so called research and the one thing that really sticks out
is that though most if not all of the research is centered on cigarette smoking
all the the blame is centered on nicotine. Every other word is nicotine. The only
notable exceptions is when they claim another chemical makes nicotine even
more addictive. There are other studies of course that show other things are
harmful but,in the big scheme of things they seem to play second fiddle to
"Nicotine".

This even though there has never been a study proving nicotine
is addictive to humans. Clinical trials using nicotine have proven beyond a doubt
nicotine alone does not cause dependency. Our underage users have proven with
out a doubt it's not the nicotine as they prefer zero nicotine by far if they were not
previous cigarette users.

IMHO there will be no BT's version of Provari.

Regards
Mike

 

[AngiBe]

Gotta read the law closely. I'm sure there is a way around it. See exactly what is prohibited. Then do an end around. Ship it to a friend or family member in Illinois and they can ship it to your house, etc...

Checking things out now. This law sounds so idiotic that I can't get my head around the fact that our government is truly this stupid. I'd love to get my hands around the neck of the individual that thought this crap up

 

[mattiem]

I believe you are 100% correct @skoony This is sad but true

 

[Bronze]

Checking things out now. This law sounds so idiotic that I can't get my head around the fact that our government is truly this stupid. I'd love to get my hands around the neck of the individual that thought this crap up

I know. It's lame. But it is what it is. One up them and figure out a way you can get around it.

 

[VNeil]

BT won't have to buy anyone out. They have plenty of patents from their own
research over the years. Besides they do not want main stream vaping gear.
They need people to smoke cigarettes to get the addiction cycle started.
The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep

People who have not used tobacco do not develop dependency to nicotine.
This is what ultimately all the hysteria is all about. This is why vaping must
be destroyed. This is why I have always maintained they were and,did go
after everything. You can not collect sin taxes from a product that does
not cause dependency. People would just laugh and take there dollars and
use them elsewhere.

Look at it this way. The dependency rate for drinkers is roughly between
10 to 12 %. That 10 to 12 percent consumes the majority of alcoholic beverages
purchased.
Think you drink a lot? This chart will tell you.

The dependency rate of smokers was said to be roughly 30% back in my
day. Today I see figures like 60 or 80% depending on the source. It seems
a lot of the research is intermingled with studying quit rates at various age
groups and finding a dependency rate of the total is hard to nail down.
My point is vaping ends it all. With no dependency there is no anything
caused by smoking. No vaping till you die because your addicted. No
guaranteed tax revenue because you can just walk away. No Big Medicine
siphoning off your retirement money to buy their cancer drugs and treatments.
I have perused a lot of the so called research and the one thing that really sticks out
is that though most if not all of the research is centered on cigarette smoking
all the the blame is centered on nicotine. Every other word is nicotine. The only
notable exceptions is when they claim another chemical makes nicotine even
more addictive. There are other studies of course that show other things are
harmful but,in the big scheme of things they seem to play second fiddle to
"Nicotine".

This even though there has never been a study proving nicotine
is addictive to humans. Clinical trials using nicotine have proven beyond a doubt
nicotine alone does not cause dependency. Our underage users have proven with
out a doubt it's not the nicotine as they prefer zero nicotine by far if they were not
previous cigarette users.

IMHO there will be no BT's version of Provari.

Regards
Mike

All very well said. Liked x100000000

 

[Kenna]

Someone somewhere in one of the threads mentioned that it seemed like the ANTZ sent out a call to action on that article, which may explain the similar wording...

And it reaped more negative comments than would be expected. Especially against zero positive comments. I say the paper is helping Johnson's opposition's campaign.

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[rosesense]

Someone somewhere in one of the threads mentioned that it seemed like the ANTZ sent out a call to action on that article, which may explain the similar wording...

Has anyone on here tried to post positive comments? If so, what happened? I haven't looked at it so maybe it is closed for comments now?

 

[wiredlove]

Checking things out now. This law sounds so idiotic that I can't get my head around the fact that our government is truly this stupid. I'd love to get my hands around the neck of the individual that thought this crap up

"A primary force behind the legislation was Zak Laikin, the son of former Brightpoint CEO Bob Laikin. Zak Laikin and his Indiana Vapor Co. hired a team of four high-powered lobbyists to advocate for the law.
<snipped>
Laikin's Indiana Vapor Co. hasn’t received a permit to produce, but his newly created Vapor Association of Indiana is representing the few companies that have been approved."

Indiana vape law shuts dozens of e-liquid makers out of industry

 

[wiredlove]

Has anyone on here tried to post positive comments? If so, what happened? I haven't looked at it so maybe it is closed for comments now?

I don't know, I think it was the thing that was said above - you had to subscribe to comment, so it's unlikely that people did so. I'm guessing those that did comment negatively haven't heard print journalism is dead.

 

[SeniorBoy]

Good morning Girls and Boys

On the PMTA and SE issues. I pulled out a few of Bill Gs posts on ECF for your reading pleasure. All of his posts have source links and please note the dates of his posts.

FDA also issued 8 Not Substantially Equivalent (NSE) orders, 1 Refuse-to-Accept letter for SE, and companies withdrew 190 SE reports from the review process.”

See: FDA reports it issued 125 SE orders and rejected 199 SE reports in June

While FDA has approved 17 SE applications for tobacco products, the agency has refused to file 4 new tobacco product applications, has rejected 17 SE applications, and has demanded so much info that 247 SE applicants withdrew their SE application.

In sum, FDA has so far approved 17 tobacco products (mostly cigarettes), and has banned 268 tobacco products.

See: FDA refuses to file 4 new tobacco product applications, falsely portrays FDA approved cigarettes as safer than unapproved smokeless & e-cigs

Swedish Match is submitting a 100,000 page Modified Risk Tobacco Product application to the FDA to truthfully inform smokers that General Snus is a less hazardous alternative to cigarettes.
Please note that Swedish Match has already filed at least 185 Substantial Equivalence applications with the FDA, and that FDA approved 8 of them so far.

Source: Swedish Match submitting 100,000 page MRTP application for General Snus to FDA

Happy reading!

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