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As a retailer, if he doesn't engage in anything the fda considers to be manufacturing, he should be good. Basically selling sealed packages off the shelf. Of course he won't be able to put anything together or create kits, but he could "bundle" necessary stuff together, I would assume.

I find a problem (with selling anything past the due date) in that even no-nic is considered a "tobacco product" and that includes the definition of (paraphrasing) 'anything intended for human consumption' with an ecig. And the same problem with the balloons and nitrous oxide case - where circumstantial evidence, rather than any subjective intent of the vendor, is considered. [again, this being the cases if no PMTA's are accepted - but with acceptance, I don't see a problem.]
 

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A common and exaggerated generalization. I've never voted for someone who I knew beforehand that they were a crook. Many turned out not to be crooks, and some did.

It's like the line some like to quote from the Stone's Sympathy for the Devil:

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me

No... it was Lee Harvey Oswald. :- )
I said as an "electorate" we knowingly vote for crooks. That's another way of saying we "collectively" vote for crooks. This is a true statement and I stand by it.
 
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I just don't see any PMTAs being submitted ... the only juice line, might be NJOY's Artist Collection.

However, even that is a long shot ... NJOY will submit their cigalikes first.

The FDA target is Open tank and eLiquid.



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You mean for Bottled e-Liquids? And not for e-Liquids that come Pre-filled in Closes System Cartridges?

Right?
 
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Not sure I see the point in submitting PMTAs for juices if, as we suspect, only closed systems stand a chance of being approved.

If you believe that there is No Chance that the FDA will Approve a PMTA for an Open System Atomizer (which I would say the Chances are about 2 Steps below Zilch) then it Does Seem kinda Silly that the FDA would Approve a PMTA for an e-Liquid that came in a Bottle.
 

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My personal opinion is that someone, somewhere, with a lot of money MIGHT submit a PMTA for unflavored base. That is about the only thing that has a chance to get through all of the requisite studies, and even that seems fairly doubtful. But it's one product, in one flavor, and one strength, and if it makes it through that "person" will perhaps position themselves to somehow make a lot of money.

Or not.
 

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BTW - I just got an Promo e-Mail from MFS. Here is what was at the top of it...


To comply with upcoming FDA regulations and US Laws MFS has recently added age verification to the checkout process on our site. Once you have successfully completed this age verification once, it will not be required on future orders. However, this is a brand new service that still has a few bugs to work out, so if you have trouble ordering please be patient as we work to fix any issues as quickly as possible. Thank you for everything!

-MFS Team


Not exactly sure what the Age Verification Process curtails? Maybe someone can Buy Something and let us know What it involves.
 

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I find a problem (with selling anything past the due date) in that even no-nic is considered a "tobacco product" and that includes the definition of (paraphrasing) 'anything intended for human consumption' with an ecig. And the same problem with the balloons and nitrous oxide case - where circumstantial evidence, rather than any subjective intent of the vendor, is considered. [again, this being the cases if no PMTA's are accepted - but with acceptance, I don't see a problem.]
I think you're misunderstanding, he should be good, as a retailer, until 8/8/2018 or until there is nothing left to sell, whichever comes first. After that, you're right, there won't be anything to sell.
 

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My personal opinion is that someone, somewhere, with a lot of money MIGHT submit a PMTA for unflavored base. That is about the only thing that has a chance to get through all of the requisite studies, and even that seems fairly doubtful. But it's one product, in one flavor, and one strength, and if it makes it through that "person" will perhaps position themselves to somehow make a lot of money.

Or not.

I would think that BT and BV would have an Unflavored PMTA(s) in the Works.

Because it would be "Bridgeable" to all Pending/Future PMTA's.
 

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BTW - I just got an Promo e-Mail from MFS. Here is what was at the top of it...


To comply with upcoming FDA regulations and US Laws MFS has recently added age verification to the checkout process on our site. Once you have successfully completed this age verification once, it will not be required on future orders. However, this is a brand new service that still has a few bugs to work out, so if you have trouble ordering please be patient as we work to fix any issues as quickly as possible. Thank you for everything!

-MFS Team


Not exactly sure what the Age Verification Process curtails? Maybe someone can Buy Something and let us know What it involves.

It's a form with Name, Address and Birth date. I didn't fill it out or go any further in the checkout process to see if there was anything else they wanted because I didn't need anything. This was at the top of the form:

In accordance with US law, MyFreedomSmokes must first verify your age before you may check out. Once successfully validated, your account will be verified and you will not need to submit this verification check again.
Please enter your First and Last Name as it appears on an official ID (i.e. driver‘s license or passport). For instance, if your ID shows a First Name of Robert, use Robert instead of Bob.
- If you have moved recently, please try with your previous address.
- If you have recently married, please try with your maiden name.
 

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I think you're misunderstanding, he should be good, as a retailer, until 8/8/2018 or until there is nothing left to sell, whichever comes first. After that, you're right, there won't be anything to sell.

Well in the original update post it was stated "understand how they are going to stay functional past Aug 8." I don't see, (unless. as I said that the FDA already agreed), them selling anything beyond 8/8 without being liable. They might not get caught, but at that point, they're 'illegal'.
 

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Well in the original update post it was stated "understand how they are going to stay functional past Aug 8." I don't see, (unless. as I said that the FDA already agreed), them selling anything beyond 8/8 without being liable. They might not get caught, but at that point, they're 'illegal'.
8/8/16 was my understanding, from that date, as long as they're not manufacturing, they can sell what others are manufacturing, as long as it's something that was already on the market.
 

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I'm sorry to say that I don't know that much about these new regulations, but doesn't it place vaping in the same classification as tobacco products? If this is the case, how do cigarettes pass the approval process? I know BT has tons of money and all, but as poisons as cigarettes are, how could they pass and e-liquids not pass. What kind of criteria would support that?
 

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