Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Str8vision]

..........I also think we're still quite a distance from vaping being more popular than cigarettes, and with excessive taxation and regulation, the likelihood of that actually occurring is approaching zero.

Which is their intent.

 

[NC_Fog]

Over taxation and extreme regulation = Detroit...coming soon to a country near you. I bet they wish that they had some do-overs.

 

[Kent C]

Over taxation and extreme regulation = Detroit....I bet they wish that they had some do-overs.

I bet they don't. The idea of a 'do-over' contains the idea that mistakes were made. That is unthinkable by the people who ran Detroit. My guess is they think along the same lines as any other failure of their policies - that they didn't have enough money or the wrong people were in charge of certain programs - not the 'leadership' of course.

 

[DC2]

I bet they don't. The idea of a 'do-over' contains the idea that mistakes were made. That is unthinkable by the people who ran Detroit. My guess is they think along the same lines as any other failure of their policies - that they didn't have enough money or the wrong people were in charge of certain programs - not the 'leadership' of course.

Sometimes one has to wonder if the people who run government, and government programs, are simply the wrong people to do so, given that they really don't work for a living, and their entire existence relies upon them making everyone else believe that they ("the government") simply need more money from those that actually MAKE MONEY to do properly what they are not really doing all that well in the first place.

But I digress...

And yes, I can say this, and it's not coming out of my rear end...
--My mother was a social worker
--My father was a civil engineer

 

[Wing]

Sometimes one has to wonder if the people who run government, and government programs, are simply the wrong people to do so, given that they really don't work for a living, and their entire existence relies upon them making everyone else believe that they ("the government") simply need more money from those that actually MAKE MONEY to do properly what they are not really doing all that well in the first place.

But I digress...

And yes, I can say this, and it's not coming out of my rear end...
--My mother was a social worker
--My father was a civil engineer

I'd like to counter that assessment and declare that your statement does in fact originate entirely from your posterior.

 

[rothenbj]

I'd love to see vaping replace smoking across the population. Think of the lives saved, illnesses reduced, and putting BT out of business (I wish). But the endless witch hunts make it look less and less likely. I'm hopeful that least more short term studies will come showing the benefits and harm reduction with vaping over the next 2 years to provide objective evidence and force attitudes to change. My fear is by the time all the data are available to support vaping, it will have already been killed off. Sure, an industry can rebuild, but it will never be with the kind of investment made until this point simply out of the fear it could get shut down, with all the attendant financial losses, again.

I really believe saving lives was never the intention, just a marketing ploy. In addition to that, the disease numbers have been greatly exaggerated to support the crusade.

 

[DC2]

I'd like to counter that assessment and declare that your statement does in fact originate entirely from your posterior.

I'd like to challenge you to show the poop stains as evidence.


EDIT: Please also note I didn't say the average government worker...

the people who run government, and government programs

 

[rosesense]

DC2, I agree with you and I WAS a social worker for the government for almost 20 years. Couldn't stand the politics. If we had any money left over for a program, we were told to spend, spend, spend or next budget the amount would likely be reduced or cut.

 

[oplholik]

Danger! Thread degradation.

 

[Kent C]

Sometimes one has to wonder if the people who run government, and government programs, are simply the wrong people to do so, given that they really don't work for a living

Some of them DID work for a living. Some have never worked in their lives or have "worked" for so called 'social causes' in some way or another but have never had to make a payroll, balance the books (and they still don't) or worked like some of the mom and pop vaping businesses or other businesses. Yet they feel totally capable of dominating those who DO work and controlling (or restricting or taxing) things along the lines of what they (the politicians) deem necessary.

 

[Eskie]

I really believe saving lives was never the intention, just a marketing ploy. In addition to that, the disease numbers have been greatly exaggerated to support the crusade.

The incidence of disease from cigarette use has been greatly exaggerated? Really?

 

[Woofer]

The incidence of disease from cigarette use has been greatly exaggerated? Really?

Of course. Greatly

 

[Eskie]

Of course. Greatly

I guess in that case there's no reason to worry about this whole deeming thing and I might as well go back to smoking.

 

[DC2]

I guess in that case there's no reason to worry about this whole deeming thing and I might as well go back to smoking.

I wouldn't go that far


Notice he didn't say there is NO harm from smoking.
Just that it might have been a bit exaggerated.

When it comes to second-hand smoke I would go with "greatly" without hesitation.
When it comes to first-hand, "greatly" is open for debate.

One thing is for sure...
The same folks handing you lies about vaping have been doing it about smoking.
That's where they developed and perfected their playbook.

Not sure how much to trust anything they've EVER said at this point.

 

[Kent C]

I guess in that case there's no reason to worry about this whole deeming thing and I might as well go back to smoking.

There's a difference between what is and what is greatly exaggerated. The "greatly exaggerated" speaks to how the "smoking related deaths" rates are measured - junk science (covered here many times - search it*), and other stuff as far as adding diseases that aren't really related to smoking. And if you want to go back to smoking, no one's stopping you, but they may stop you from vaping. :- )

* The United States Vapers’ Survey -

...and subsequent posts in that thread

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I guess in that case there's no reason to worry about this whole deeming thing and I might as well go back to smoking.

I think what he means is that as soon as you tell a Dr that you have ever smoked cigarettes, then everything that is ever wrong with you gets put in that category whether or not it has anything to do with it or not. That is how the numbers are being pumped up.
I was with my sister one time at her Dr appt. And when asked if she ever smoked and she said yes, 40 yrs ago, then that was it. The ailment she was seeing the Dr for was caused by smoking 40 years ago. Now how stupid is that? I mean they will stop at nothing to fight to get their way.

 

[VNeil]

Not sure how much to trust anything they've EVER said at this point.

^^^ this x1000

 

[Woofer]

I guess in that case there's no reason to worry about this whole deeming thing and I might as well go back to smoking.

OK I'll give you 10 cents on the dollar for your gear, it is dangerous so not worth much.

Seriously the same people who lie about vaping told the story of the dangers of smoking, perhaps they just started lying recently. For newcomers they are skilled. <nods>

Black lung - everyone knows smoking turns your lungs black except it doesn't, it is photoshop. In fact a coroner can not determine if one was a smoker by examining the lungs.

Nicotine - extremely dangerous and carcinogenic except it isn't. The Great Nicotine Myth

And they there is this type of crap "Smoking may contribute to SIDS sudden infant death syndrome" then again it may not.

Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
While most conditions or diseases usually are diagnosed by the presence of specific symptoms, most SIDS diagnoses come only after all other possible causes of death have been ruled out through a review of the infant's medical history, sleeping environment, and autopsy. This review helps distinguish true SIDS deaths from those resulting from accidents, abuse, and previously undiagnosed conditions, such as cardiac or metabolic disorders.

When considering which babies could be most at risk, no single risk factor is likely to be sufficient to cause a SIDS death. Rather, several risk factors combined may contribute to cause an at-risk infant to die of SIDS.

 

[rosesense]

Wow, Hon Lik agrees with the regulations, what a blow. Of course, he is a consultant with Blu so that explains most of it.

Interesting that cigars won't be taxed like cigs in Pennsylvania. Hmm, interesting stuff going on.

 

[Qew]

Don't worry, the RNC delegates will be voting to rescue vaping from the FDA!
Thanks, so very much, for putting vaping in this list, RS! http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-most-backwards-wtf-planks-in-the-gop-platform-w429468