Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Kent C]

Yep, makes huge sense. I was talking to the owner of the local B&M I hang at and this is what he told me. He's was contacting the are FDA and they not only didn't have the answers to his questions about compliance to the upcoming regulations, they didn't even know they had even come out.

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You could point him to these:

Effective and Compliance Dates Applicable to Retailers, Manufacturers, Importers, and Distributors of Newly Deemed Tobacco Products

Small Entity Compliance Guide: Requirements for the Submission of Data Needed to Calculate User Fees for Domestic Manufacturers and Importers of Tobacco Products

Retailer Overview of FDA Regulations for Selling Tobacco Products

 

[jpasint]

Also, I don't see the FDA's interest in bowing to BT. That would be the province of the states, in order to protect their tobacco tax revenue.

I'm sure lots of folks in the FDA have jobs due to all of the illness caused by BT products.

Lots to do at the FDA when it comes to approving and testing new cancer treatments and what not.

 

[jpasint]

It does kind of make sense that BT would want to move to producing a product that doesn't kill (literally) their customer base.

Its all about profits. They have already been issued a license to kill so if they make more money killing people then you can be certain that is exactly what they will do.

 

[Belhade]

I can kinda see where BT could argue for a wider vaping market. If they strangle the market then vaping will forever be a niche, tarnished by the stigma that's being pushed about vaping. Open up the market, keep it thriving and make it more acceptable and BT's disposable cigalikes and pens will still be a decent segment of a larger base. Plenty of social smokers would use a Blu or Juul who would never want to touch or deal with a tank-style device. There will always be desire for the low/no maintenance option.

 

[Lessifer]

I wasn't sure where to post this, or if it's been posted anywhere already but sfata posted a letter they received detailing a fairly major change in CRP guidance that goes into effect in a few days.

URGENT: Child-Resistant Packaging Rules Change - SFATA | Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I wasn't sure where to post this, or if it's been posted anywhere already but sfata posted a letter they received detailing a fairly major change in CRP guidance that goes into effect in a few days.

URGENT: Child-Resistant Packaging Rules Change - SFATA | Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association

I guess they were too anxious to wait until August. Doesn't this stop, slow down or raise the costs now of ordering nic and/or ready made ejuice from vendors?

AS I am reading it...if they have not registered with the FDA already then doesn't this put them out of business?

 

[salemgold]

I guess they were too anxious to wait until August. Doesn't this stop, slow down or raise the costs now of ordering nic and/or ready made ejuice from vendors?

AS I am reading it...if they have not registered with the FDA already then doesn't this put them out of business?

Curious as to where you are reading that part? It looks to me like they have to change the packaging? I am sure that I must have missed a link in there somewhere.

All I see is "Thus, beginning on July 26, 2016, the sale of liquid nicotine in non-compliant containers is prohibited"

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Curious as to where you are reading that part? It looks to me like they have to change the packaging? I am sure that I must have missed a link in there somewhere.

All I see is "Thus, beginning on July 26, 2016, the sale of liquid nicotine in non-compliant containers is prohibited"

Its says they need to be in compliance, in 1st and 2nd paragraph. Cannot copy paste, the letter will not let me. Am trying to get it edit form now.
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[Sugar_and_Spice]

This depends on IF you are an importer or a manufacturer of.
Elements Required in a GCC

1. Identification of the product covered by this certificate:
   Describe the product(s) covered by this certification in enough detail to match the certificate to each product it covers and no others.
2. Citation to each consumer product safety regulation to which this product is being certified:
   The certificate must identify separately each consumer product safety rule administered by the Commission that is applicable to the product.
3. Identification of the U.S. importer or domestic manufacturer certifying compliance of the product:
   Provide the name, full mailing address, and telephone number of the importer or U.S. domestic manufacturer certifying the product.
4. Contact information for the individual maintaining records of test results:
   Provide the name, full mailing address, e-mail address, and telephone number of the person maintaining test records in support of the certification.
5. Date and place where this product was manufactured:
   For the date(s) when the product was manufactured, provide at least the month and year. For the place of manufacture provide at least the city (or administrative region) and country where the product was manufactured or finally assembled. If the same manufacturer operates more than one location in the same city, provide the street address of the factory.
6. Provide the date(s) and place when the product was tested for compliance with the consumer product safety rule(s) cited above:
   Provide the location(s) of the testing and the date(s) of the test(s) or test report(s) on which certification is being based.
7. Identification of any third party laboratory on whose testing the certificate depends:

Generally, this section should be labeled “N/A” for a GCC because third party laboratory testing is not a requirement for non-children’s products. (It is only a requirement for children’s products and must be included in a CPC.) However, if a certifier voluntarily uses test results from a third party laboratory as the basis for issuing its GCC, the law requires that the certifier must then provide the name, full mailing address, and telephone number of the third party laboratory.

 

[Vandal]

So everyone with existing inventory has to repackage every single bottle of juice? What other industry has been subjected to retroactive regulations like has been happening to vaping?

 

[Lessifer]

I guess they were too anxious to wait until August. Doesn't this stop, slow down or raise the costs now of ordering nic and/or ready made ejuice from vendors?

AS I am reading it...if they have not registered with the FDA already then doesn't this put them out of business?

Originally they said that anything manufactured after July 26th needed to meet CRP standards. Now they're saying anything SOLD after July 26th needs to meet the CRP standards. So, any existing stock needs to meet the standard, or it cannot be sold. Hopefully this doesn't effect too many vendors, as they should have been switching over to new packaging over the last few months, but some may be caught unaware.

 

[bnrkwest]

Wow that will be tough for all existing juice in non child proof and it sounds like applies to nicotine base also.

 

[Bonskibon]

Not wasting any time sticking it to the vendors.

 

[oplholik]

Probably vendors on top of the game have already switched.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Wow that will be tough for all existing juice in non child proof and it sounds like applies to nicotine base also.

Not wasting any time sticking it to the vendors.

This is effective on July 26 so if you are ordering anything do it now............

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Probably vendors on top of the game have already switched.

I think so too.......at least a majority of them have been offering child proof caps for a while. Now we get no choice.

 

[bnrkwest]

You notice how this stuff just sneaks up on us for regs, I am not sure what 8-8 will be like but I have a feeling these things will keep sneaking up on us.

 

[Bonskibon]

You notice how this stuff just sneaks up on us for regs, I am not sure what 8-8 will be like but I have a feeling these things will keep sneaking up on us.

It sure seems that way. There is no notice of anything going on until something passes.

 

[WharfRat1976]

I wasn't sure where to post this, or if it's been posted anywhere already but sfata posted a letter they received detailing a fairly major change in CRP guidance that goes into effect in a few days.

URGENT: Child-Resistant Packaging Rules Change - SFATA | Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association

Probably vendors on top of the game have already switched.

California vendors mostly from what I have seen. This is indeed startling. My local BnM, with hundreds of 30ml bottles has nothing childproof or labeling of any kind. One hundred Teleos bottles alone, more....ouch

 

[bnrkwest]

MN passed a law awhile ago for childproof caps, so those vendors already in compliance, feel bad for those that aren't.