Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[puffon]

With the way the media has demonized vaping the last couple years, I don't think any major candidate will take a public positive stance on vaping. They would be accused of harming the children.

 

[seminolewind]

Will a vote for Trump trump improve the chances of removing such darning regulations?

We may have to work very hard when it's time to address it. We would need a plan.

That would certainly warrant a reduction in unrealistic regulation. At the same time educating the population of the ingredient in juice, and it's not evil or deadly. It seems to be a turnaround already.

 

[herb]

“In the first debate, voters listened to two candidates dance around the American economy. What you’ll never hear from those candidates is how the economy is being killed by excessive regulation. Vaping, a new industry offering products as a healthier alternative to smoking, is about to be regulated out of existence. That just doesn’t make any sense.
The vaping industry currently counts about nine million customers, producing about $4 billion a year in annual sales. With the excessive regulations recently introduced by the FDA, as many as 12,000 vaping businesses will be put out of business. As Gov. Gary Johnson has said, the free market and entrepreneurial spirit should be encouraged, not destroyed. Nowhere is this more obvious that the vaping industry.”
Jim Wallace, National Director of the Johnson-Weld 2016 campaign

Presidential nominee Gary Johnson calls FDA deeming regs 'excessive'

What ? Trump has said from the beginning that excessive regulations are killing us and he is getting rid of a ton of them .

Clinton would of course increase regulations even more. Gary Johnson has zero shot , lets not waste votes , besides he jogs in a "thong" which is unacceptable & he should be banned for life .

 

[seminolewind]

Trump is the only candidate who openly says that excessive regulations need to go. I may agree with other candidates on an issue or two, but on the whole what we need is this removal of regulations.

And ending "the buddy system", draining the "swamp" of Washington . I believe all of Government are terrified of an outsider who owes no one favors , not part of the "Mafia" political system, and most likely viewing the over regulating and crooked ways they make regulations on.

I'm not a believer in anyone that has to operate within the web of political favors, and can be manipulated by money. He sees a lot of the way we do. From the outside looking in like we do. And a belief in not giving the low income more money, but more ways and access to jobs and self support.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

What ? Trump has said from the beginning that excessive regulations are killing us and he is getting rid of a ton of them .

I almost left that part out, but figured someone would say I didn't quote the whole thing.

Gary Johnson has zero shot , lets not waste votes

5% gets the party "Major Party" status and all the perks that come with it. A vote not cast is a wasted vote. I will not tell anyone whom they should vote or not vote for, only that they should get informed and vote their conscious.

besides he jogs in a "thong" which is unacceptable & he should be banned for life .

I assume that was humor, since one of his major tenants is freedom to do what one wants as long as it doesn't hurt others or interfere with their freedom.

 

[herb]

I almost left that part out, but figured someone would say I didn't quote the whole thing.



5% gets the party "Major Party" status and all the perks that come with it. A vote not cast is a wasted vote. I will not tell anyone whom they should vote or not vote for, only that they should get informed and vote their conscious.



I assume that was humor, since one of his major tenants is freedom to do what one wants as long as it doesn't hurt others or interfere with their freedom.

Gary Johnson jogging in a thong does hurt others .

 

[Alexander Mundy]

We are getting too far from the threads intent so I'll just stop now.

 

[classwife]

We are getting too far from the threads intent so I'll just stop now.

yes...thank you

 

[seminolewind]

Sorry. I was just trying to say that the web of deceit does not end with what's coming out now in the political arena that's being uncovered. The FDA/BP surely are included in the web of too much regulating, too much owing favors and too much "I can do what I want and get away with it" belief. I hope they all drown in the swamp of decaying yuck.

If I say we need Skink to help us hide the bodies, does anyone know who I'm talking about?

 

[newyork13]

Sorry. I was just trying to say that the web of deceit does not end with what's coming out now in the political arena that's being uncovered. The FDA/BP surely are included in the web of too much regulating, too much owing favors and too much "I can do what I want and get away with it" belief. I hope they all drown in the swamp of decaying yuck.

If I say we need Skink to help us hide the bodies, does anyone know who I'm talking about?

Agreed.
And I don't know Skink. Could you explain?

 

[zoiDman]

Agreed.
And I don't know Skink. Could you explain?

I believe seminolewind is referring to one of the charactors in this book...

https://www.amazon.com/Double-Whammy-Skink-Book-1-ebook/dp/B003ZK58U4

 

[Buckeyevapen]

New research by ASH finds use of electronic cigarettes remains low among young people | ASH.org.uk

....But but but the children!!

 

[Lessifer]

New research by ASH finds use of electronic cigarettes remains low among young people | ASH.org.uk

....But but but the children!!

Doesn't count, UK vs USA... and they won't ask the right questions in the US.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

Doesn't count, UK vs USA... and they won't ask the right questions in the US.

I agree. But hopefully attentions can be grabbed!

 

[bigdancehawk]

@Verb I do not see this affecting hardware at all which is disappointing to say
the least. The fact that the nicotine alone may be the key factor seems logical
on the face of it but,the FDA has also stated they are equally concerned with
all the other chemicals and components used. To bad nicotine itself can not
be challenged as having anything to do with being a dependent causing agent
in the form of vaping. IMHO that is where this argument needs to go. I do
not think that this is in the purview of this case or the court system in general .

Perhaps the FDA will throw us this bone. Though it may seem like a major concession
it will be a moot point if the hardware is not exempted.
Mike

I share your concern. As I posted on Aug. 27 (#13416), "Sometimes following oral argument the judge will ask for further briefing to focus on what she thinks is a decisive issue or possibly something needing more clarification."

Let's hope she hasn't already narrowed this down to whether or not the FDA can regulate e-liquids that don't contain tobacco-derived nicotine. It would be almost entirely inconsistent to say they can regulate hardware which can be and is routinely used to vape nicotine free juice.

For those who missed it and may be interested in this aspect of the case, I pointed out in this thread that the FDA is hanging its hat on "intent" although intent is relevant in only very limited circumstances under the FSPTCA. See my posts of Sept 13 (#14102) and Sept 14 (#14128).
ETA: Reading the tea leaves, I'm guessing the judge will grant each motion in part and deny it in part. The end result will be an integrated ruling that disposes of all issues. Either party or both can then ask for reconsideration, although they aren't required to do so. If there is no reconsideration, either or both parties can appeal. It's almost certain that there will be an appeal.

 

[bigdancehawk]

Duh, didn't mean to reply to my own post. Please delete.

 

[seminolewind]

Agreed.
And I don't know Skink. Could you explain?

Carl Hiaasen's last book was actually "Skink". Short version of the whole series. A Govenor was too good so a lot of people didn't like him. So he decides to disappear and the only one who knows him is a black cop. Skink has one eye, wears a shower cap and eats road kill. Most of Hiaasen's books have some nasty Florida environment thing in the background. And many have someone who tries to make it right, and ends up needing help. Many times Skink marches a bad guy into the woods where he lives and tortures him . Then lets him go in the middle of the night in the swamp with no shoes, clothes, and knows they won't make trouble after that. Skink is someone you want on your side. Skink loves to mess with people. These books contain a lot of getting even or revenge.

So it was be nice if someone who needed to go stay with Skink for a while could get sent there. It would make me feel better!

 

[newyork13]

Thanks for helping me understand Skink.
I'm not sure I want to read the books. LOL.
But, I can completely understand how "it would make you feel better."
The whole thing is disgusting.

 

[seminolewind]

Thanks for helping me understand Skink.
I'm not sure I want to read the books. LOL.
But, I can completely understand how "it would make you feel better."
The whole thing is disgusting.

Well it's all about the slimy bad guy losing and the nice guy winning. Done in an absolutely different way.

I guess it's pretty interesting to see our whole political/government system getting exposed. And we know of a department who is just like the rest of them. The swamp will be cleaned out, with or without Skink.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

I'm sorry but this article made me really mad. It's as if the whole world is looking for some way for folks to reduce the risk of inhaling combustion smoke. If only there were some, inexpensive...thing... that smokers could use instead?!

Smoking may be more deadly than HIV, researchers say

If someone knows some way to get this on the FDAs website/Facebook and ask the simple question: Why do you refuse to acknowledge a vaporizers place in harm reduction in light of articles such as this?!