Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Eskie]

If a PMTA is treated like an NDA for a new drug, then no, they will not release the data until the application is approved. That's done to protect proprietary information of the drug company. The company usually releases that info voluntarily to help boost stock value on a very expensive to bring to market drug, without revealing enough for competitors to benefit, which they do anyway.

Clearly there are not all that many secrets with vape stuff, so the FDA may not follow the same rules. However, I'm certain juice companies will want and likely have, their "special formulas " protected by not publicly revealing the exact amount of the flavorings used, but will still have on the bottle the nic amounts and probably PG /VG ratios. Not every retail juice marketed today has the VG listed, other than maybe "max VG", although most do.

 

[Riplea]

BTW2 - This Bill is Picking Up co-sponsors "Left" and "Right".

Text - H.R.564 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Traditional Cigar Manufacturing and Small Business Jobs Preservation Act of 2017

Always thought it would. I mean, why should Premium Cigar Smoker's have to put up with all this TCA BS like us common Rift-Raft?

So this bill removes premium and large cigars from any FDA jurisdiction? Is that correct?

Why would cigars get special consideration? It is combustionable, produces tar and nicotine. What's the rational for it?

My representative has cosponsored this but not 1136.

 

[zoiDman]

So this bill removes premium and large cigars from any FDA jurisdiction? Is that correct?

Yep. If it meets this Definition...

“(C) TRADITIONAL LARGE AND PREMIUM CIGAR DEFINED.—For purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘traditional large and premium cigar’—
“(i) means any roll of tobacco that is wrapped in 100 percent leaf tobacco, bunched with 100 percent tobacco filler, contains no filter, tip or non-tobacco mouthpiece, weighs at least 6 pounds per 1,000 count, and—

“(I) has a 100 percent leaf tobacco binder and is hand rolled.

“(II) has a 100 percent leaf tobacco binder and is made using human hands to lay the leaf tobacco wrapper or binder onto only one machine that bunches, wraps, and caps each individual cigar; or

“(III) has a homogenized tobacco leaf binder and is made in the United States using human hands to lay the 100 percent leaf tobacco wrapper onto only one machine that bunches, wraps, and caps each individual cigar; and

“(ii) does not include a cigarette (as such term is defined by section 900(3)) or a little cigar (as such term is defined by section 900(11)).”.

Why would cigars get special consideration? It is combustionable, produces tar and nicotine. What's the rational for it?

Because there a House and Senate Members who enjoy a Good Cigar now and again? Because the Cigar Industry has Good Lobbyists? Because the Money in their Fat Fists is Very Green? All Three?

My representative has cosponsored this but not 1136.

Not Surprising.

 

[CMD-Ky]

If there is a politician involved then they and theirs will be exempt from the laws that they pass, the laws they pass will benefit them and theirs or the law is of little consequence.

Yep. If it meets this Definition...

“(C) TRADITIONAL LARGE AND PREMIUM CIGAR DEFINED.—For purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘traditional large and premium cigar’—
“(i) means any roll of tobacco that is wrapped in 100 percent leaf tobacco, bunched with 100 percent tobacco filler, contains no filter, tip or non-tobacco mouthpiece, weighs at least 6 pounds per 1,000 count, and—

“(I) has a 100 percent leaf tobacco binder and is hand rolled.

“(II) has a 100 percent leaf tobacco binder and is made using human hands to lay the leaf tobacco wrapper or binder onto only one machine that bunches, wraps, and caps each individual cigar; or

“(III) has a homogenized tobacco leaf binder and is made in the United States using human hands to lay the 100 percent leaf tobacco wrapper onto only one machine that bunches, wraps, and caps each individual cigar; and

“(ii) does not include a cigarette (as such term is defined by section 900(3)) or a little cigar (as such term is defined by section 900(11)).”.



Because there a House and Senate Members who enjoy a Good Cigar now and again? Because the Cigar Industry has Good Lobbyists? Because the Money in their Fat Fists is Very Green? All Three?



Not Surprising.

 

[Rickb119]

Yep. If it meets this Definition...

“(C) TRADITIONAL LARGE AND PREMIUM CIGAR DEFINED.—For purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘traditional large and premium cigar’—
“(i) means any roll of tobacco that is wrapped in 100 percent leaf tobacco, bunched with 100 percent tobacco filler, contains no filter, tip or non-tobacco mouthpiece, weighs at least 6 pounds per 1,000 count, and—

“(I) has a 100 percent leaf tobacco binder and is hand rolled.

“(II) has a 100 percent leaf tobacco binder and is made using human hands to lay the leaf tobacco wrapper or binder onto only one machine that bunches, wraps, and caps each individual cigar; or

“(III) has a homogenized tobacco leaf binder and is made in the United States using human hands to lay the 100 percent leaf tobacco wrapper onto only one machine that bunches, wraps, and caps each individual cigar; and

“(ii) does not include a cigarette (as such term is defined by section 900(3)) or a little cigar (as such term is defined by section 900(11)).”.



Because there a House and Senate Members who enjoy a Good Cigar now and again? Because the Cigar Industry has Good Lobbyists? Because the Money in their Fat Fists is Very Green? All Three?



Not Surprising.

Although the bill is sponsored/co-sponsored by members of Congress, it apears to have been written by and for a very select few (mostly Florida?) US companies.

 

[zoiDman]

If there is a politician involved then they and theirs will be exempt from the laws that they pass, the laws they pass will benefit them and theirs or the law is of little consequence.

Yeah... That's what so Great about US Politics. They are Very Consistent.

LOL

 

[zoiDman]

Although the bill is sponsored/co-sponsored by members of Congress, it apears to have been written by and for a very select few (mostly Florida?) US companies.

Of course it is/was.

Why would a "Premium" Cigar company want to spend their Profits on a PMTA?

Even though their products Are tobacco products.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Yeah... That's what so Great about US Politics. They are Very Consistent.

LOL

Politicians are not like a box of chocolates, to paraphrase Forrest Gump, with politicians you always know what you are going to get.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Don't know if HB26 (REINS ACT) has been mentioned here.

H.R.26 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act of 2017

"Before new rules take effect, agencies must amend or repeal other rules to offset any annual costs of the new rules to the U.S. economy.

Over a 10-year period, agencies must submit reports designating for congressional review all agency rules that are in effect as of one year after enactment of this bill. If Congress does not enact a joint resolution of approval for such rules, the rules shall not continue in effect."

 

[JustWondering1]

Don't know if HB26 (REINS ACT) has been mentioned here.

H.R.26 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act of 2017

"Before new rules take effect, agencies must amend or repeal other rules to offset any annual costs of the new rules to the U.S. economy.

Over a 10-year period, agencies must submit reports designating for congressional review all agency rules that are in effect as of one year after enactment of this bill. If Congress does not enact a joint resolution of approval for such rules, the rules shall not continue in effect."

Unless the devil's in the details that I can't see, this sounds very good to me!!

 

[zoiDman]

Don't know if HB26 (REINS ACT) has been mentioned here.

H.R.26 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act of 2017

"Before new rules take effect, agencies must amend or repeal other rules to offset any annual costs of the new rules to the U.S. economy.

Over a 10-year period, agencies must submit reports designating for congressional review all agency rules that are in effect as of one year after enactment of this bill. If Congress does not enact a joint resolution of approval for such rules, the rules shall not continue in effect."

I think it is Great in Theory.

But as a Practical Matter, I question just how efficient Congress would be in Agreeing on what a "Major" Rule should and shouldn't be?

Seems like Congress has a Hard Enough time Now doing the little they can Agree On.

 

[Verb]

So this bill removes premium and large cigars from any FDA jurisdiction? Is that correct?

Why would cigars get special consideration? It is combustionable, produces tar and nicotine. What's the rational for it?

My representative has cosponsored this but not 1136.

Cigars are still not taxed as tobacco products in PA, but cotton wick is taxed as tobacco if a vape shop sells it.

 

[Katdarling]

Cigars are still not taxed as tobacco products in PA, but cotton wick is taxed as tobacco if a vape shop sells it.

SMH. It's a mad world.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Cigars are still not taxed as tobacco products in PA, but cotton wick is taxed as tobacco if a vape shop sells it.

Pennsylvania politicians and their friend obviously don't vape but do like a good cigar. Political power must always be used for personal benefit. Local elections and primaries, folks, re-elect no one.

 

[Eskie]

Don't know if HB26 (REINS ACT) has been mentioned here.

H.R.26 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act of 2017

"Before new rules take effect, agencies must amend or repeal other rules to offset any annual costs of the new rules to the U.S. economy.

Over a 10-year period, agencies must submit reports designating for congressional review all agency rules that are in effect as of one year after enactment of this bill. If Congress does not enact a joint resolution of approval for such rules, the rules shall not continue in effect."

Unfortunately, it would apply to new rules, and the deeming regs are not, they have been in existence since 8/16.

 

[DaveP]

The wait is frustrating, but the hope for change is enough to counteract the frustration. I hope the Cole-Bishop legislation goes forward. Looks like 9 Democrats have co-sponsored the bill along with 67 Republicans.

 

[HBcorpse]

It's all gonna come down to how much money these fat .......s think their pockets will be lined with, for voting one way or another.

 

[newyork13]

I, sadly, have become as cynical as you have, corpse.
Term limits, and only public financing of elections. The only answer.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

I, sadly, have become as cynical as you have, corpse.
Term limits, and only public financing of elections. The only answer.

Do funding like NASCAR were the amount a candidate is allowed to collect is capped. This way all of the candidates would be running with the same "horsepower". If they receive more than that amount then it can go into Social Security or some other universal federal program. Heck the candidate could even pick if they wanted.

And absolutely term limits for congress is long overdue. Even the founding fathers never envisioned "career politicians" who's only stated goal is to get reelected. They envisioned passionate citizens who would take 4 years out of their careers to solve a problem or be a voice for their constituents and then return home to continue their lives.

The easiest way to get reelected is to do nothing because if you do something you are liable for the results.

I vape. I vote.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

Heck the more I think about it just do this: cap the amount of money a candidate can raise as I stated above. Pay every member of congress the median income of the USA from the previous 4 years. Lastly, make them live in dorms. They are there to do a job as a civil service not make money.

With these rules they would tap out because there wouldn't be a career there, only service.

Bet a lot more work would get done if all they could afford to do is work.