Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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I wonder if these will still be sold? You can buy them online and in "vintage" candy stores.

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The banned them a long time ago from being sold as candy cigarettes same thing for the bubblegum cigars but remove the cigarette or cigar in the name and they are perfectly fine despite the fact that it still looks like a pack of smokes. They're still available all over the place around here.
 
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I'm in a fairly rural area, and the vape shops around me are either in a town ~1 hour away, or serve dual-purpose as a vape and head shop.

I know what you're thinking, but they're actually not that bad. I travel for work and have visited vape shops all over the world and in at least 30 states. The head/hookah/vape shops CAN be good- it all depends on who is running them.

My preferred one, at home, is in a crappy strip mall 1/2 hr away, and run by a 20-something Iraqi former USMC 'terp refugee with a stoner/surfer accent.

He's ....ing awesome.


Anyway, I digress. One side of the intelligently-stocked shop has vape gear. The other side has glass tobacco pipes.

He called me today to tell me he got his first batch of Wismec Theorem attys in, and had the one he held for me waiting. The Theorem and the Haze drip-tank were some of the advancements I mentioned in my earlier post: while I was "away" the industry invented the IDEAL attys for me, a flavor-chasing, single-coil building Paradigm Magma devotee.

But, again, I digress. It's siete de mayo, and I still gotto mas tequila- so, shoot me!

Anyway, when I went to get my new RDA (the Theorem is PERFECT, BTW) bro ham, the former combat 'terp, was setting up a rack for the line of essential oils he was going to start carrying.

Shooting the shiz while I looked around, we also talked about using my lathe to build a 510 attachment on which we could build kanthal elements to use as a flame-free lighter for the tobacco pipes on the other side of his shop.

We (here) are going to be alright.

The ones we need to worry about, and put our constituency-horsepower to bear for, are the folks that haven't got their toes in the water yet. The vendors will be able to carry all the same things they do now, they just won't be able to educate their customers about it.

We all started on cig-alikes, and stick batteries with crap C5 tanks, but we also had shops to go to, to talk to experienced hobbyist/shop-owners and enthusiast/customers, find out what the next step was, experiment with different parts and pieces to dial our rig in closer to our personal smoking experience, and make the whole thing that much more of an effective quitting aid.

The next "generation" is not going to have that. I may be able to go into my local shop and talk to my refugee-patriot friend about what is new in variable-wattage aroma dispenser technology, but the new folks are going to be there blind, because he's not going to be able to actually talk about the real end-use and prac app.

The ones that I really feel for are the 60-somethings I see come in and buy their first stick battery and C5 tank, while I'm there buying kanthal and build tools. I know, when I see them leave, that they haven't left with their actual solution, but I figure they've at least cracked the door, at a price point they can justify, and will be back for the next, closer step to quitting cigarettes.

They're going to have a hell of time, with no one to help them, sorting out exactly why they need a higher power "flashlight" and a properly chambered "aroma diffuser" to help them finally quit smoking and buy back a few more years with their grandchildren.
serve dual-purpose as a vape and head shop.--------agree,, the head shop near me has more mods/atty's than the 3 b&m vape stores,,to the point i thought they must carry everything.....i was impressed.
 
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Yep batteries with labels on them for vaping will be illegal but regular batteries will be available if not bought from a place specializing in vaping equipment.
Why I hope this is true IMHO nothing in what I have read in the deeming regs so far supports
this. Labeling no longer protects sellers from actual use. If you are selling raw materials or parts to vendors who are producing juice or hardware for the market you have no regulatory burden as the vendors are saddled with the regulatory burdens. Any sales to non-industry vendors or individuals doesn't
automatically impose regulatory burden. However if and or when items from these sales show
up in and or are used regulated items you may per the FDA's discretion be subject to provisions
in the regulations.
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The banned them a long time ago from being sold as candy cigarettes same thing for the bubblegum cigars but remove the cigarette or cigar in the name and they are perfectly fine despite the fact that it still looks like a pack of smokes. They're still available all over the place around here.

I bought some last summer at a local tourist trap. You can also buy them (in candy or gum) online.

All Products : Candy Hop, Bulk Old Fashioned Candy Store
 
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The FDA would say this is evidence of your having been exposed to nicotine in your teens, and the resulting brain damage.

Nicotine causes permanent damage in young brains

http://www.iamexpat.nl/read-and-discuss/lifestyle/news/nicotine-causes-permanent-brain-damage
Damn. I knew there had to be a reason I can't control the weather.
 

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16) Litigation is HIGHLY unlikely to be successful and SFATA strongly suggests against it.
?????
More opinions needed...
18) Verbiage on how we talk about e-cigarettes have to change: no longer healthier, not smokeless, not a way to quit smoking, etc..
Sounds like that goes into effect 8/8/16, and does not affect ecf discussion.
 
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Some of us Aussie vapers have been using unbleached organic rayon as a wicking material. The cheapest and easiest way to source this rayon is buy purchasing a box of Kotex tampons from the supermarket.

Yes, we are vaping tampons :)

I know worrying about sourcing wicking material is waaaay down on your list of concerns, but I just thought I'd mention it as it's pretty unlikely the FDA will regulate the sale of Kotex! I expect other novel work-arounds will come to light for the hardcore DIYers.
 

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If the FDA is given the power to regulate batteries of any kind, what's next? Cigarette lighters? Ashtrays? That opens up a slippery slope. Next the EPA will be regulating my toilet paper (waste removal). Being a bit cynical here, but the FDA regulating a battery is like the IRS regulating clean drinking water.
A slippery slope is the best way to control the masses..
 
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Why I hope this is true IMHO nothing in what I have read in the deeming regs so far supports
this. Labeling no longer protects sellers from actual use. If you are selling raw materials or parts to vendors who are producing juice or hardware for the market you have no regulatory burden as the vendors are saddled with the regulatory burdens. Any sales to non-industry vendors or individuals doesn't
automatically impose regulatory burden. However if and or when items from these sales show
up in and or are used regulated items you may per the FDA's discretion be subject to provisions
in the regulations.
Regards
Mike
It is all about intended use. If they are sold as vaping batteries then bad. If sold as flashlight batteries then no problem.
 

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?????
More opinions needed...

Sounds like that goes into effect 8/8/16, and does not affect ecf discussion.

I think that you are correct about # 18 thinking that was meant for retailers.

#14 makes it look like we may have up to 3 years before anything is actually removed from the market?

14) 2 years to file your PMTA, 1 year to get an approval, if no approval is received within the 12 months following you will have to remove your product from the market while you wait for FDA approval
 

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Some of us Aussie vapers have been using unbleached organic rayon as a wicking material. The cheapest and easiest way to source this rayon is buy purchasing a box of Kotex tampons from the supermarket.

Yes, we are vaping tampons :)

I know worrying about sourcing wicking material is waaaay down on your list of concerns, but I just thought I'd mention it as it's pretty unlikely the FDA will regulate the sale of Kotex! I expect other novel work-arounds will come to light for the hardcore DIYers.
It the states we buy Rayon/Cellu Cotton from Beauty supply places.
 

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Some of us Aussie vapers have been using unbleached organic rayon as a wicking material. The cheapest and easiest way to source this rayon is buy purchasing a box of Kotex tampons from the supermarket.

Yes, we are vaping tampons :)

I know worrying about sourcing wicking material is waaaay down on your list of concerns, but I just thought I'd mention it as it's pretty unlikely the FDA will regulate the sale of Kotex! I expect other novel work-arounds will come to light for the hardcore DIYers.

lol ... welcome to ECF

good to know I can vape tampons when the world runs out of cotton :blink:
 

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I think that you are correct about # 18 thinking that was meant for retailers.

#14 makes it look like we may have 3 years before anything is actually removed from the market?

14) 2 years to file your PMTA, 1 year to get an approval, if no approval is received within the 12 months following you will have to remove your product from the market while you wait for FDA approval
I think that you are correct about # 18 thinking that was meant for retailers.

#14 makes it look like we may have 3 years before anything is actually removed from the market?

14) 2 years to file your PMTA, 1 year to get an approval, if no approval is received within the 12 months following you will have to remove your product from the market while you wait for FDA approval
#16 is the real killer, if accurate. Maybe they meant that until something's been denied, or some enforcement action's been taken, litigation is highly unlikely to suceed.
 

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I think that you are correct about # 18 thinking that was meant for retailers.

#14 makes it look like we may have up to 3 years before anything is actually removed from the market?

14) 2 years to file your PMTA, 1 year to get an approval, if no approval is received within the 12 months following you will have to remove your product from the market while you wait for FDA approval

#14. 3 years only if a pmta was filed. Without filing a pmta, 2 years.
 

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#16 is the real killer, if accurate. Maybe they meant that until something's been denied, or some enforcement action's been taken, litigation is highly unlikely to suceed.

I hope so. Either way, that is just their opinion. It has worked in the past and I sure don't understand how it could hurt to try.
 

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