Somewhere, I think I hear a Door starting to Close.
Federal Register :: Public Inspection: Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2018-05655.pdf
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Somewhere, I think I hear a Door starting to Close.
Federal Register :: Public Inspection: Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2018-05655.pdf
That's how you earn respect.And Treats People like She would Like to Be Treated.
With Courtesy and Respect.
This was mildly encouraging. It was the only encouraging sentence I noticed.
Nevertheless, FDA explained that it did intend to consider the issues surrounding the role of flavors in tobacco products, including the role flavors play in youth and young adult use, as well as the existence of preliminary data that some adults may use flavored noncombusted tobacco products to transition away from combusted tobacco use. See 81 FR 28973 at 29014 and 29055.
Nevertheless, FDA explained that it did intend to consider the issues surrounding the role of flavors in tobacco products, including the role flavors play in youth and young adult use, as well as the existence of preliminary data that some adults may use flavored noncombusted tobacco products to transition away from combusted tobacco use. See 81 FR 28973 at 29014 and 29055.
"let's make vaping more similar to smoking by only allowing tobacco and menthol flavor, that'll prevent people from switching to smoking"
Yeah... Unfortunately, the 95% of the Adults that use a Product are many times drown out by the "Have to Save the [5%] Children" drum beating.
BTW - Has anyone shown Definitively what the actual Reduction of Underage Vaping would be if you were to Removed most (even All ) Flavored e-Liquids from the Market?
And what the Shift would be towards Underage DIY?
I HOPE the shift to underage DIY is ZERO. I find that most people under the age of 20 (maybe as high as 24) don't have the discipline to DIY when it comes to dropping store bought pet food in a bowl for the family pet without constant reminders and instruction on proper amounts. I certainly doubt they could source, properly handle, and mix eliquid in a safe and consistent manner.
Unfortunately, with that shift of underage vaping to zero will make the underage smoking rate go back up.
Oooooh yeah! That's what they really want to happen.
But... the thing is there Will Be.
I'm Not sure how Someone could agree that if you take Flavored e-Liquids away from Adults Vaper, that some/many will Learn/Move to DIY. But somehow this same thing would not occur with Underage Vaper's? The Real Question is How Many?
Same with Removing Flavored e-Liquids from the Market.
I have No Doubt that if this was Done, that there would be a Decrease in Underage Vaping. But How Much?
A One Half of One Percentage Decrease is still a Decrease. But to many, like myself, it is mere Statistical Noise on the curve.
If the FDA wants to Remove Flavored e-Liquids from the Market, with the Justification that it will be Decreasing Under Aged Vaping, shouldn't they at least Tell the Public How Much of a Decrease they can Guarantee will Occur?
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Unfortunately, with that shift of underage vaping to zero will make the underage smoking rate go back up.
Oooooh yeah! That's what they really want to happen.
I must agree, although sadly. An increase in teen smoking rates would be handy justification for more regulation as well as more lung and cancer "associations" staffing. Big pharma could budget for increased revenue from smoking cessation products in the future. One way or another, vaping would be blamed.
Yeah... Unfortunately, the 95% of the Adults that use a Product are many times drown out by the "Have to Save the [5%] Children" drum beating.
BTW - Has anyone shown Definitively what the actual Reduction of Underage Vaping would be if you were to Removed most (even All ) Flavored e-Liquids from the Market?
And what the Shift would be towards Underage DIY?
I would have trouble hooking into the black market but the average teenager would love it. They would find it even more attractive if they had to buy it from a buddy who knew someone who mixed it in his basement. Probably with food flavoring they got from Meiers.
What the FDA isn't telling you, and what the Lawmakers won't tell you, is they Know that there is a Baseline Percentage of Teens that are going to find a way to use (insert whatever you like here =>) _________ no matter what they do.
How Long have there been Age Limits for Cigarettes? And Billions spent on Don't Smoke Campaigns. But they can Only drive down Smoking to a certain point. And then the Rate becomes a Fixed Flat Line.
So the Question becomes, what can Really be Achieved by Banning Flavored e-Liquids? And what will be the Cost to Adult Smokers chances of getting off cigarettes if you do?
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BTW - Here is some More Happy News...
FDA Crackdown....
New study suggests two-way association between experimenting with e-cigarettes and experimenting with smoking among young people - Action on Smoking and Health
"Katie East, lead author of the study from the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology an Neuroscience, King’s College London, said:
“These findings provide insights into the patterns of behaviour around youth vaping and smoking. While they do not give us all the answers they do suggest that some young people progress from trying e-cigarettes to trying tobacco cigarettes but also that some go from trying cigarettes to e-cigarettes. With further research we hope to understand more about what is driving both behaviours. Nevertheless, vaping among never smokers remains rare: only 21 of 923 never smokers at the start of our study had tried e-cigarettes.”"
"Katie East, lead author of the study from the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology an Neuroscience, King’s College London, said:
“These findings provide insights into the patterns of behaviour around youth vaping and smoking. While they do not give us all the answers they do suggest that some young people progress from trying e-cigarettes to trying tobacco cigarettes but also that some go from trying cigarettes to e-cigarettes. With further research we hope to understand more about what is driving both behaviours. Nevertheless, vaping among never smokers remains rare: only 21 of 923 never smokers at the start of our study had tried e-cigarettes.”"
Unfortunately, with that shift of underage vaping to zero will make the underage smoking rate go back up.
Oooooh yeah! That's what they really want to happen.
Yeah, because smoking is at all time lows, no longer the 'cool' thing to do. More important to them (all of them) are lost profits & tax revenues that the government has depended on for years. Now that the cash cow is dying, are trying to create a new one.
That's the bottom line of what any new proposed laws, deeming, you name it, is all about. Think the government, Big Tobacco & Pharma cares about us? NO!
All they care about is getting their cash cows moving full steam ahead once more, and are using the FDA, AMA & whomever they can as a median to do so. If at all, it'll be another decade before unbiased clinical trials goes underway to compare breathing functions & other lab tests, to include imaging, most likely in a tightly controlled setting using cig-lookalikes furnished by Big Tobacco. Not our devices of choice.
It's all about the money. I'd have much more respect for the government's stance if they simply came clean & tell the truth, that their own anti-smoking campaign has shot themselves in the foot from a financial standpoint. On the other hand, those funds should had been stashed for hard times, rather than wasted creating all sorts of agencies, giving their friends mega dollar salaries & who knows what else?
I agree, they'd truly love to see smoking rates skyrocket again, although come another decade or two, would yet be another real life & costly crisis to address at the same time. Only difference will be the same folks in office now won't be dealing with the fallout.
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I stopped taking the article serious at this point.
That may had been true 30-35 years ago, not in the last decade to 15 years. It well may be that most aged smokers falls into such a group, yet no age group was specified, stated 'adult smokers'. The definition of the beginning of adulthood varies from one US State to the next (generally 18-21).
Having been around kids, to include teens, my whole life as I can remember (now at 55), back in the 70's, many teens did smoke, this trend would continue into the mid to late 80's & then suddenly smoking was no longer cool by the early 90's. Nowadays, I rarely see a teen smoke, however I have seen many vape that's never consumed tobacco products, most doesn't want to be in the same dwelling, let alone the same room with cigarette smoke lingering.
It doesn't bother me to be in the same room with smokers (visiting with relatives/close friends), because I've overcame the analog habit & have zero desire to return.
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