Hmm, $23M over 5 years isn't that much...there are probably 10,000+ vape shops in the US so I hope the mobsters settle for low wages and long hours. Would have guessed you were from Brooklyn and not Germany
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Hmm, $23M over 5 years isn't that much...there are probably 10,000+ vape shops in the US so I hope the mobsters settle for low wages and long hours. Would have guessed you were from Brooklyn and not Germany
Well you haven't heard my mix-of-german-3-british-and-some-US-accents
The $23m is likely just the first installment, if they're effective then they'll get more. It's by no means an upper limit of what they can spend.
The $23m is likely just the first installment, if they're effective then they'll get more. It's by no means an upper limit of what they can spend.
Consolidation of the vape industry is inevitable and often occurs as industries mature. Unfortunately the victims (and sometimes beneficiaries through acquisitions) are often the small shops and companies. I believe this will happen with or without government intervention.
I wouldn't go so far. It's not needed. If like FL's stealth Prop 65 workplace ban goes before the public as a constitutional revision, the folks don't know. Someone's bound to think it's grand nobody'll vape horrible e-cig's next to their cubicle. Except it will affect all public and private work spaces eventually and vapers will be kicked outdoors like the criminal pariah's they are. Back to being social derelicts in the public's eye once again.
Vapers in my view have been conditioned into a state of false confidence this can never happen by the boundless availability of vape products. Too many have walked away from the discussion. And we need millions to just say no. Not merely to government but to everyone around us that would condone our being forever bound to the slavery of tobacco.
This is the death knell…the public spaces ban.
Good luck.
Hmm, $23M over 5 years isn't that much...there are probably 10,000+ vape shops in the US so I hope the mobsters settle for low wages and long hours. Would have guessed you were from Brooklyn and not Germany
Don't you go after the Big Online Retailers 1st? And then work your way Down from there? Like the ones who have an Online Presence.
And it's not like the FDA doesn't exactly have a Small Army of Tobacco Compliance Officers already.
Well you haven't heard my mix-of-german-3-british-and-some-US-accents
The $23m is likely just the first installment, if they're effective then they'll get more. It's by no means an upper limit of what they can spend.
Your written English is excellent
Are we comparing Evolution of Businesses in a Quasi Free Market environment to the Wholesale Restructuring of the e-Market via Regulations?
I guess the question that remains to be answered is if the coming changes are "Wholesale Restructuring" or changes, that may be broad (but not quite restructure) or narrow. Yes we do have a quasi-capitalist system in America. Not sure if the following addresses your question or not, but if you conducted an experiment taking identical businesses in two parallel universes where one had a laissez-faire capitalistic system and the other was prone to a constantly changing, irrational and heavy-handed regulatory environment, the former would be more profitable than the latter...I'm confident
In Pittsburgh (PA)...All the hospitals have posted "We Confiscate All E-Cigarettes" signs...
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They don't want flavors to appeal to underage people. I'm still not sure what that means. So if I make a flavor that tastes like Fruit Loops that's OK as long as I name it Flavor #217 instead of Fruity O's or similar? And as long as I don't put a picture of Toucan Sam on the bottle? I don't know how taste can be branded as "kid friendly". Names/images maybe, but not flavor. None of this has been made clear to me exactly the approach to NOT appeal to underage people.
The flavor (ban) regulation released by FDA yesterday will be a MAJOR change if not derailed. Without flavors (FDA seems to mistakenly believe that tobacco flavor. Is not a flavor), manufacturers will cease and store will close by the thousands. We have many battles to wage and only weak and splintered groups to lead us here in the US. We need to band together IMO
It's because it's a made up argument to somehow shoehorn in child safety.
There's condoms with all sorts of flavors you don't even want to think about and nobody ever said a word about that making them attractive to underage hoomans.
Of course it is. Pols never tell you their real motivation. If they did, they would be rejected.
There's no such thing as a little bit pregnant so we'll nip it at the (taste) buds.
(Hey!…You brought it up.)
Good luck.
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I think this FDA Statement is actually positive for the e-cigarette industry - time will tell if I'm right. Here are a few reasons why:
**The title - "Statement from FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, M.D., on pivotal public health step to dramatically reduce smoking rates by lowering nicotine in combustible cigarettes to minimally or non-addictive levels"
They specifically reference "combustible cigarettes", not only here but throughout the statement.
**"Cigarettes" is referenced 17 times while e-cigarettes is mentioned only once, and that was in this statement, which I completely agree with - "At the same time, we plan to take vigorous enforcement steps to make sure that tobacco products aren’t being marketed to kids, including e-cigarettes. No youth should use a tobacco product."
**This statement is probably the most positive IMO for the e-cig industry and acknowledges the benefits of having "alternate" nicotine sources (i.e. e-cigs.) and they also want to encourage innovation which will likely occur in non-combustible products like e-cigs - "For example, our plan demonstrates a greater awareness that nicotine, while highly addictive, is delivered through products on a continuum of risk, and that in order to successfully address cigarette addiction, we must make it possible for current adult smokers who still seek nicotine to get it from alternative and less harmful sources."
**There will be a 3-month period where the public can provide input and I'm sure that the vaping lobby along with all of us vapers, will help the FDA understand that most of the vaping products today are on the opposite end of the "continuum of risk" as cigarettes - but I think the FDA may know that already, although hard data is still scant but growing and moving in our favor.
I hope they stay away from regulating the e-cig industry further - all that's needed now is a focus on preventing kids from getting access to ANY nicotine products.
I MUST disagree with you, although you are doing what most people do, which is "reacting" to what the FDA says, instead of drilling down to the FACT that e-cigs are NOT a tobacco product, nor are they a "nicotine delivery device" (can be ONLY IF nicotine is added to liquid/juice) regardless of what the FDA's so-called "experts" say.
Here are the components:
1. Battery -- not a tobacco product
2. Battery holder -- not a tobacco product
3. Button to trigger the battery -- not a tobacco product
4. Plastic or glass container for liquid (vaping juice) -- not a tobacco product
5. Wire used as heating coil (same used in toasters) -- not a tobacco product
6. Wick used for getting liquid to heating coil -- not a tobacco product
7. Electronics to control power of battery -- not a tobacco product
8. Liquid/juice:
a. Food flavoring -- not a tobacco product (used in restaurants, bakeries, candy-making, etc.)
b. Vegetable glycerin -- not a tobacco product (used in restaurants, bakeries, and pharmaceutical industries, including eye-drops)
c. Propylene glycol -- not a tobacco product (used in food, pharmaceutical, and cosmetics industries)
d. Nicotine (OPTIONAL) - artificially produced, but is the ONLY component that legitimately "could be" called / deemed a tobacco product.
** The vaping community - including the industry lobbyists, if there are any - should be hammering the fact that the ONLY possible tobacco or tobacco related component of an e-cig is the optional nicotine in the liquid/juice.
** The argument (our side of the issue) should be made that IF the FDA REALLY wants to prevent nicotine addiction, they could and should regulate the amount(s) of nicotine added to vaping liquid/juice.
** The FDA could also prohibit nicotine in liquids sold to minors. --- On the subject of minors, apparently the FDA commissioners and their experts have forgotten that teenagers are prone to defiance - tell them not to do something, and that something is exactly what a large portion of teenagers are most likely to do - they want to find out what the prohibition is all about (I raised 6 - thankfully all turned out very well).
Okay - I'm taking off my lobbying hat, now. FYI, lest anyone think I don't know what I'm talking about, I have successfully lobbied for and against legislative bills, testified and been asked to testify at legislative committee hearings, and received "thank you" calls at home from committee chairmen and the Texas Lt. Gov.
Does anyone know if Cole-Bishop made it through the House? I'd be surprised but it wouldn't be the first time in my life.
I'm too tired to research it myself tonight, and I figure that the chatter has already hit the streets. If not, we should know very shortly.
Congressional Leaders Finalize Spending Deal
I'm too tired to research it myself tonight, and I figure that the chatter has already hit the streets. If not, we should know very shortly.
Congressional Leaders Finalize Spending Deal
That’s right. The House provision was removed again. I’m ready to move on anyway. We always had to change the law anyway. Now we can go directly about setting up a more appropriate regulatory regime, one that does what fDA says and makes reduced risk alternatives to smoking MORE available and with a straightforward transparent path to approval.
< Won't be selling stockpile.
One of my kids will be happy one day. Three of 'em vape, so they'll probably be racing to the door. Greedy little...
Faith in legislators? Zero.
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