Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Bronze]

Hardly anyone alive didn't know cigs were deadly when we started. But then when you're a teenager, mortality isn't a high priority subject.

 

[CMD-Ky]

In the new utopian technocracy our bureaucratic diktatura believe all the kids are walkin around with a 5G cellphone pod in their backpack…but they don't vape 'em. So no worries.

Good luck.

I don't know what a lot of these words mean but I think I like it.

 

[mackman]

Let's start with the fact that "removal" would be impossible to achieve. Just look at the success they had trying to "remove" other substances starting about 100 years ago. A material portion of the population simply does not believe that government has any moral authority to control what individual do with their own bodies, and is going to do what they want, regardless of any "laws" or "regulations".

Then consider the fact that when it finally became obvious that smoking was hazardous 50-60 years ago, close to half the adult population were smokers. It would have been instant political suicide to try to ban it then, which is likely why Congress did not give any federal agency the power to regulate tobacco products until 2009, when less than 20% of the population were still smokers.

Not taking into account (in my mind) that the big B's pharma/tobacco have influence over a vast majority of Congress

 

[MacTechVpr]

If the whole issue is discouraging teen/underage use, in addition to assuring sales compliance by the retailer, vape shop, gas station, or online seller (who probably has the easiest time as they can keep a written /electronic chain of evidence the buyer passed an "age test") how about going after the underage user?

If a teen is caught drinking alcohol they can get busted. How about a summons (not a criminal felony conviction or anything) for anyone underage vaping in public? The problem isn't sales or flavoring, but use, so why not address it there on a local level (no FBI SWAT team breaching for a kid vaping in the family room).

So if you're somewhat young-looking and are vaping in public, a cop should be able to demand "Your papers, please!" for proof of age?

No thank you.

Only meant to infer or agree that from a statutory perspective underage vaping might be more effectively policed as a minor misdemeanor than the monolith of government we're erecting.

I don't think any American of any age should have to ask permission of government for anything that is lawful.

Good luck.

 

[zoiDman]

Here is some Counterpoint Op-Ed from the LA Times regarding Lowering Nicotine, Flavorings, the FDA, and the WH.

White House could be blowing smoke with plan to cut nicotine in cigarettes

Take it for its worth.

 

[stols001]

Yep, rather speculative. Some interesting factoids on funding, but a rather speculative piece.

Anna

 

[Rossum]

Here is some Counterpoint Op-Ed from the LA Times regarding Lowering Nicotine, Flavorings, the FDA, and the WH.

White House could be blowing smoke with plan to cut nicotine in cigarettes

Take it for its worth.

From the above article:

But in private, his relationship with the industry is very much nudge-nudge, wink-wink, with an understanding that tobacco firms will enjoy a free hand on what matters most to them: developing a lucrative market for electronic cigarettes as consumption of traditional cigarettes declines.

Unfortunately, the only way that "tobacco firms" will have a "lucrative" market for vaping is for regulations to kill off the independent industry that currently supplies this market.

 

[zoiDman]

Yep, rather speculative. Some interesting factoids on funding, but a rather speculative piece.

Anna

Yeah... That what Op-Ed is Most of the Time.

 

[zoiDman]

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Unfortunately, the only way that "tobacco firms" will have a "lucrative" market for vaping is for regulations to kill off the independent industry that currently supplies this market.

Hmmm? I wonder where BT could get one of those?



LOL

 

[CMD-Ky]

From the above article:

Unfortunately, the only way that "tobacco firms" will have a "lucrative" market for vaping is for regulations to kill off the independent industry that currently supplies this market.

I sadly have to agree. Odd that in a country that speaks of a free market economy, there is no need to compete for the market. When one is an insider, the competition is merely killed by tax, regulation or criminalization. I despair.

 

[MacTechVpr]

On this issue the POTUS and Congress do need to go the opposite of wheelin and dealin. They need to extract vaping from tobacco legislation. If they want to tax us, let's have the open discussion. After all, wouldn't that be democratic? Until then they'll all be the object of suspicion and a mistrust that would be well deserved.

Good luck.

 

[ScottP]

Here is some Counterpoint Op-Ed from the LA Times regarding Lowering Nicotine, Flavorings, the FDA, and the WH.

White House could be blowing smoke with plan to cut nicotine in cigarettes

Take it for its worth.

Here is my take on it. Some of it I agree with. Big Tobacco is going to fight any reduction of nicotine in their products or any restrictions to THEIR vaping business. Will they win? Who knows? The FDA could decide to only approve pod type systems manufactured by Big Tobacco companies and then BT wouldn't do anything and we would all still be screwed. Will this happen? I hope not. What I REALLY REALLY hope happens is that the FDA unrestricts vaping hardware and only focuses on eliquid packaging, labeling, advertising, and quality. I doubt I will get my wish though.

What I don't agree with is how this has anything to do with Trump. It is quite rare for ANY President to do much of anything with the FDA beyond the appointment of the head of it, so trying to make this about a President (any President) is just stupid. I am definitely NOT a huge fan of Trump (especially the import tariffs on Chinese goods he is trying to impose) but the media coverage on him is really getting on my last nerve.

 

[zoiDman]

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What I don't agree with is how this has anything to do with Trump. It is quite rare for ANY President to do much of anything with the FDA beyond the appointment of the head of it, ...

 

[mikepetro]

Hmm, $23M over 5 years isn't that much...there are probably 10,000+ vape shops in the US so I hope the mobsters settle for low wages and long hours. Would have guessed you were from Brooklyn and not Germany

They are budgeted 20 inspectors full time, plus a management staff, for the next 5 years. Plus 1 million a year for travel above and beyond the winning bid amount. This budget is just for location inspectors, it does not include Customs inspection. Even if each inspector only did 2 shops a day, that would cover 10K shops at least once per year.

 

[MacTechVpr]

The worst that could happen to the FDA and BG, i.e. Big Government, would have been to see a novel exempt industry prosper, innovate, organize, standardize, educate, police itself, employ, responsibly satisfy consumer demand and most of all serve as a model for no government intervention. No sir, vaping needed to brought in to the modern world of regulatory oversight…just like all else has.

Good luck.

 

[coldgin96]

I am definitely NOT a huge fan of Trump (especially the import tariffs on Chinese goods he is trying to impose)

Best thing he's done so far, but I digress, don't want to derail this thread... right, ScottP?

 

[DPLongo22]

Best thing he's done so far, but I digress, don't want to derail this thread... right, ScottP?

In the words of the great @ENAUD before me...

"Too late!"

 

[ENAUD]

In the words of the great @ENAUD before me...

"Too late!"

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I do love a good train wreck

 

[DPLongo22]

I do love a good train wreck

 

[Katdarling]

(ah)choo choo!