I never felt vaping would be banned. Restricted, yes. But not banned. The only question I have is to what extent will vaping be restricted? That remains to be seen. It's a given the gov't will put a sin tax on it. It's just the way our gov't rolls. As far as I'm concerned we got away with not having a sin tax up to this point (but they certainly wont get any thank yous out of me). But in terms of availability and access to vape products it is an open debate. And there's a lot of latitude in deciding if the final decision renders vaping acceptable or unacceptable.
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I think...if I remember correctly...that something like that happened to a fella' named...Trump...
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Yeah, I deliberately didn't vote in that election and it was my first ONE too.
I regret nothing about that decision, because like always when people were crying foul, I said, "Don't look at me. I mean, this time it was not lack of citizenship that stopped me, instead it was morals, but sometimes I'd rather abstain completely than cry "Scheudenfraude! Or All Racists unite! Or, No it's not that Hillary's a woman, she is the manifestation of Satan or whatever." I just sobbed quietly to myself and was like, "At least I can vist Nogales there is always That."
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I regret nothing about that decision, because like always when people were crying foul, I said, "Don't look at me. I mean, this time it was not lack of citizenship that stopped me, instead it was morals, but sometimes I'd rather abstain completely than cry "Scheudenfraude! Or All Racists unite! Or, No it's not that Hillary's a woman, she is the manifestation of Satan or whatever." I just sobbed quietly to myself and was like, "At least I can vist Nogales there is always That."
Anna
Yeah, well you also have no right to .........
The above dots were a word edited by the site. It was a word that meant both female dog and complain.
Anna, I get why you didn't vote but it really means you can't complain. You didn't have to vote for Hillary or Trump. You could've voted 3rd party or even wrote in Micky Mouse. I've done that. I'm 51 and never missed a vote. Hell, one time I didn't even mark the ballot but at least I showed up. It's a precious right even if the established candidates suck.
Now admittedly, I won't vote in the primaries on August 7th because I am not a Democrat, Republican or Libertarian and there are no ballot proposal's.
I should explain I am a independent now. I used to be a card carrying member of the Libertarian Party but don't want to be locked in to any party. The first Republican I ever voted for was Romney. Now, unfortunately, I vote primarily Republican to keep my vaping and 2nd amendment rights.
Before that, it was Democrats and Libertarians but I digress...
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Very interesting. I've only skimmed the full comment that VTA submitted (it's 74 pages long).
My overall impression is very positive, but I do take exception to this section starting on page 40:
Yes, there's no question that a flavor ban would increase the size of the DIY market, but assumption that there are "Public Health Risks" to this is just as dubious as some of the FDA's arguments in favor of a flavor ban.
Depends on how you think. How many times are there posts, "I just made 50% flavoring and it tastes bad." followed by "OK, I'll buy another liter of PG to dilute with" because they jump in and make 1L of a flavor they've never tried with no real idea how to do the math.
Or the nicotine mg too high to mention here, also without an idea of the math.
Taking away premade flavors will get people with no business trying DIY jumping in without learning about it first.
OK, I can see some supplies going to waste, but where's the health hazard? If it tastes bad, or has an intolerably high level of nicotine, they're not going to vape it.
Where I could possibly see a problem is if people use flavorings or other ingredients that really shouldn't be used in e-liquids, but we've had that from commercial (even "premium") vendors already.
Agreed, as nothing definitive really tells us which ingredients should or shouldnt be used? There hasnt been enough research yet to really guide us.
I have played with homemade extracts of coffee, vanilla, lemon rind, etc. I know many play with homemade tobacco extracts. I have no clue as to the relative inhalation safety of these things. Just because something is GRAS for human consumption doesnt mean it is safe to inhale.
Just saw this, and I think you misread my post. I did not vote this time because I did not WANT to have a "right to complain" when my choice one.
While the above is certainly true, and while I certainly considered Gary Johnson very carefully, there are things about ALL the candidates I did not care for. I considered Micky Mouse, Santa Claus, etc., but I also considered my time on such an endeavor somewhat ludicrous. I mean, I get the issues, the need for finding alternatives, and although I was NOT looking for the perfect candidate, there is this THING (best illustrated by the Southpark episode on the topic) where society SHAMES you, or tells you that you MUST vote, and if you don't you are apathetic, and should be tarred and feathered and etc.
When a system is so deeply deeply corrupt that I could not find ONE candidate I considered "not bad enough," I have the choice to abstain from voting.
People often look at certain groups, crying 'apathy! Foul! Why not vote!" when really quite often said group genuinely feels that there is no one they WANT to vote for, and that silence is better than a ludicrous vote. Look at Obama's ability to capture an UNTAPPED market (youth) and what that did for him. Youth weren't "failing to vote" they were "failing to find a candidate they could believe in even 0.000001 percent."
Of course, they are also more susceptible to hypnotism and idealism, but that is another matter (although, Obama certainly milked that to the Nth degree) and whatever, and the results have been... interesting.
But, I believe my choice to vote (and lack of desire to complain) is as valid as any other vote. It's easy to say "But ANY vote is at least not for one or the other," it is easy to state, "But, if you have a non two party candidate who might get all the special rules and extra funding next time," you should vote and etc.
My point is, when something is as deeply flawed and unfixable as it is, well, all I can say is, "I have a right to not participate." That choice should and can be regarded as valid as ANY other choice.
Voting for Santa Claus does nothing to change or sway either party. If Gary J. had not done some of the things he did, I might have voted for him, but I could not in good conscience do so.
The day I vote, it will be for a candidate who is deserving of my vote and frankly my standards (by now) are Pretty Dang Low.
Etc,
Anna
I hereby announce my candidacy for President of the United States. My platform is to fulfill all of the hopes, dreams and aspirations of my countrymen and countrywomen and countrywhatever. But above all, my re-election is the prime motivator. Second to that I will not a stone unturned until my wallet is heavier than when I entered. Remember, all that I do is to improve your lives. This is my promise to you, Ms Stols001.
Ok. Not
ing with you, just giving you my 
and expressing how I feel about exercising a precious right whether or not you place a mark next to a candidate or not. I mean, why not write in someone you think could do a better job even if they are not running? I've done that, lol. Wrote in my own name or someone I knew that I thought would do a better job. What about ballot proposals? In November, in the great State Of Michigan, we are going to vote on legalizing a substance for recreational use. Even if I weren't to cast a vote for a candidate, you can bet your
I'm going to show up to vote on that, even though I don't partake.Especially in low population areas, such as villages and townships, 1 vote can make a difference. I've seen local millages defeated by 5 votes. My ex-wife and I were 2 of those votes.
Just think about what I am saying, I know you care. You may have the last word, if you wish....
EDIT: To keep this on topic before I move on, I am planning on voting for pro-vaping candidates... or not voting for anti-vaping candidates...
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You sound like a politician. Using a lot of words, but saying nothing.
I met my goal, can I count on your support?
Are we now making campaign speeches here? If so, let me know. I've got a doozy of a platform.
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LOL, yeah, CMD-Ky I'll vote for you, but only if you don't ever tell me your real name, don't want you to suffer.
I agree, primaries and ballot initiatives are important, and worthy of voting, in and of themselves, it is most certainly arguable that the smaller the community the more important voting can be.
It's just with Tucson, ballot initiatives are spelled like this.
THING TO HAPPEN (Percentage of graft) THING to NOT HAPPEN (graft somewhere else).
I will admit the dreaded specter of jury duty is ALSO a bit, well a thing. LOL, seriously I have avoided jury duty ONE HUNDERED percent of the time by not registering as a citizen and to vote. LOL, 100% of the time, I am grateful, although I also know that ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the time, almost ANY answer I gave that was honestly would cause an INSTANT exclusion.
Anna
I agree, primaries and ballot initiatives are important, and worthy of voting, in and of themselves, it is most certainly arguable that the smaller the community the more important voting can be.
It's just with Tucson, ballot initiatives are spelled like this.
THING TO HAPPEN (Percentage of graft) THING to NOT HAPPEN (graft somewhere else).
I will admit the dreaded specter of jury duty is ALSO a bit, well a thing. LOL, seriously I have avoided jury duty ONE HUNDERED percent of the time by not registering as a citizen and to vote. LOL, 100% of the time, I am grateful, although I also know that ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the time, almost ANY answer I gave that was honestly would cause an INSTANT exclusion.
Anna
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