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    The business I own exports a goodly amount of product to other parts of the world. It is not the seller's responsibility to collect another country's tariffs (or VAT, or any other taxes). It is always the responsibility of the "importer of record" to pay them, and in the case you describe, that is you. So yes, it would be USPS and customs holding the package until you pay. If the package is coming via a courier (such as UPS, FedEx, or DHL) and you have an account with them, they will arrange clearance and bill you.

    Incidentally, lying about the nature or value of the product on a customs declaration (as you've implied FT does) is quite dangerous for a volume seller like FT. They do it in the hope that customs won't bother with such low volume packages at all, but if customs concludes that they're doing this regularly, they could very well put a full stop to all packages coming from that seller.
    Thanks for the clarification.
    I can see this may be a real "cluster" at customs, having to hold packages, notify recipients, collecting $, find your package once it's paid for, then release. Wonder if they are equipped to handle this?
    This order was for squonk bottles, so may go right through.
     
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    Myk

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    The business I own exports a goodly amount of product to other parts of the world. It is not the seller's responsibility to collect another country's tariffs (or VAT, or any other taxes). It is always the responsibility of the "importer of record" to pay them, and in the case you describe, that is you. So yes, it would be USPS and customs holding the package until you pay. If the package is coming via a courier (such as UPS, FedEx, or DHL) and you have an account with them, they will arrange clearance and bill you.

    Incidentally, lying about the nature or value of the product on a customs declaration (as you've implied FT does) is quite dangerous for a volume seller like FT. They do it in the hope that customs won't bother with such low volume packages at all, but if customs concludes that they're doing this regularly, they could very well put a full stop to all packages coming from that seller.

    I really can't see the tariffs going on individual items ordered on Amazon (although the way Trump hates Amazon who knows). I think that's more for bulk shipping containers they can hit up for thousands of dollars. To have customs opening each and every package from China, assessing a value and tax, holding the package until duty is paid, would end up costing more than the 25% it would bring in (although the way government works I'm sure that makes good business sense to them).
     

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    The business I own exports a goodly amount of product to other parts of the world. It is not the seller's responsibility to collect another country's tariffs (or VAT, or any other taxes). It is always the responsibility of the "importer of record" to pay them, and in the case you describe, that is you. So yes, it would be USPS and customs holding the package until you pay. If the package is coming via a courier (such as UPS, FedEx, or DHL) and you have an account with them, they will arrange clearance and bill you.

    Incidentally, lying about the nature or value of the product on a customs declaration (as you've implied FT does) is quite dangerous for a volume seller like FT. They do it in the hope that customs won't bother with such low volume packages at all, but if customs concludes that they're doing this regularly, they could very well put a full stop to all packages coming from that seller.

    OT, but if you export here, you might want to check new GST laws, effective from July 2018, where the exporter collects 10% tax for au government, regardless of value
     
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    And now we have nothing to lose while our trading partners have everything to lose. We're in a good position.

    "Sounds" good...Bronze...but...but...I think you may be forgetting WHO, actually, pays the US tariffs...

    The foreign government does NOT...the foreign citizens do NOT...the US government does NOT...it's the US citizens who DO...

    So juul is charged a 25% tariff => they raise their prices by 25% => ship to US => the US vaper pays 25% more...

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    "Sounds" good...Bronze...but...but...I think you may be forgetting WHO, actually, pays the US tariffs...

    The foreign government does NOT...the foreign citizens do NOT...the US government does NOT...it's the US citizens who DO...

    So Juul is charged a 25% tariff => they raise their prices by 25% => ship to US => the US vaper pays 25% more...

    ..
    I'm aware of that. Tariffs are taxes on those who buy the stuff. But the effect is it stymies demand for those products and makes the competition look better (e.g., US steel and aluminum looks more attractive). If China wants to peddle their products in this country then we need to lower (or eliminate) the tariff on their stuff. If they want us to lower the tariff then they need to lower theirs. That's the idea behind all of this. We charge China next to no tariff. They rape us. Time to level it out so it's fair competition. As it is, we essentially live under the Marshall Plan circa 1940's. And beware of any global body that starts with a 'W'...as in WTO or WHO. They are not our friends.
     

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    OT, but if you export here, you might want to check new GST laws, effective from July 2018, where the exporter collects 10% tax for au government, regardless of value
    Yeah, I know about that absurd Aussie GST law. I don't see how it can possibly be enforced.
     

    Myk

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    I'm aware of that. Tariffs are taxes on those who buy the stuff. But the effect is it stymies demand for those products and makes the competition look better (e.g., US steel and aluminum looks more attractive). If China wants to peddle their products in this country then we need to lower (or eliminate) the tariff on their stuff. If they want us to lower the tariff then they need to lower theirs. That's the idea behind all of this. We charge China next to no tariff. They rape us. Time to level it out so it's fair competition. As it is, we essentially live under the Marshall Plan circa 1940's. And beware of any global body that starts with a 'W'...as in WTO or WHO. They are not our friends.

    I've never heard that given as the reason. Trade deficits are the reason given.
    People don't buy our steel not because of tariffs, they don't buy our steel because it costs too much without tariffs.

    We buy cheap stuff from China because that's what we little people can afford. There is nothing that can be done to get us to buy American except raise our wages. But unless the top takes a pay cut to offset that increase it will only raise prices.
     

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    Tariffs are taxes on those who buy the stuff.

    We charge China next to no tariff. They rape us.

    OK...so the US puts a 25% tariff on Chinese goods...

    China adds the 25% to the cost of their products...

    We US consumers end up paying 25% more for their products...(e-cigarettes in this case)...

    WOW...that will sure teach THEM a lesson!!??!!

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    What I find funny is that people have been crying to every president for 2 decades to "bring American jobs back". Well only two types of job were ever exported, manufacturing and help desk jobs. The only way to bring back manufacturing jobs is to make it cost more to build overseas and import than it does to build domestically. Tarrifs are a step in that direction. So we finally have a President that is doing what people have asked for for 20 years and suddenly now they don't want it anymore?!?! ROFLMAO. You cannot have it both ways, if you want manufacturing to be brought back to the US, you HAVE to make imported goods more expensive. If you want cheap imported goods, you cannot complain about everything being manufactured overseas. You cannot have both.
     

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    OK...so the US puts a 25% tariff on Chinese goods...

    China adds the 25% to the cost of their products...

    We US consumers end up paying 25% more for their products...(e-cigarettes in this case)...

    WOW...that will sure teach THEM a lesson!!??!!

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    Yep. When we aren't buying their cheap crap anymore....
    Brought the EU to the table to work out a fair trade deal. :thumb:
     
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    OK...so the US puts a 25% tariff on Chinese goods...

    China adds the 25% to the cost of their products...

    We US consumers end up paying 25% more for their products...(e-cigarettes in this case)...

    WOW...that will sure teach THEM a lesson!!??!!

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    It's All about Who is going to Blink 1st?

    And in an Election Year, perhaps the Most Important Election Year in Generations, I think we All know the answer to that Question.

    LOL.

    BTW - Funny how All the talk in all this is about Trade Dollars. But IP/Technology Theft, Investment Barriers and Currency Manipulation doesn't seem to be much of the Dialog.

    But Perhaps that is Best Left for the OUTSIDE? So it's all Good.
     

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    What I find funny is that people have been crying to every president for 2 decades to "bring American jobs back". Well only two types of job were ever exported, manufacturing and help desk jobs. The only way to bring back manufacturing jobs is to make it cost more to build overseas and import than it does to build domestically. Tarrifs are a step in that direction. So we finally have a President that is doing what people have asked for for 20 years and suddenly now they don't want it anymore?!?! ROFLMAO. You cannot have it both ways, if you want manufacturing to be brought back to the US, you HAVE to make imported goods more expensive. If you want cheap imported goods, you cannot complain about everything being manufactured overseas. You cannot have both.

    You need to get the workers able to pay $200 for a RDA compared to $20 for a clone first. You can make that $20 clone $25 all you want and it won't bring a single job back because the majority still can't afford it.
    You can't force people who don't have money to boycott cheap and buy expensive with false inflation. Trickle up doesn't work any better than trickle down.
    (And BTW, there is NO excuse for that RDA to cost $200 here except for bad business decisions.)

    You could do that by offering tax incentives to pay workers. You could use tax penalties for top pay rates. You could change the tax structure to make it worth while to expand businesses instead of break them apart.
    You won't ever do that by falsely inflating prices as your first step.

    I'm reminded of gas prices. Ever since gas hit $4/gal (falsely inflated with taxes mostly) my business has sucked. When gas prices drop my business goes up. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.
     

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    It will show them if folks stop buying Chinese because of it. For this to be effective though, it would certainly have to be a much larger tariff IMHO.

    Although equally one could boost American business by subsidizing American companies, at least in conjunction with everything else. Small businesses that do well are either exceptional, or like, good at customer loyalty. I mean, I own two kabukis and I don't need two. I specifically got the second to subsidize a vape emporium that does do some manufacturing in house, and does a good job of it.

    We can you know, "help ourselves" any time we wish. But no, it's all "I don't want to pay that for an atomizer!"

    Well guess what a) the clone SUCKS (it really does, I got one out of curiosity) and b) if you don't buy American at least SOME of the time, there will be fewer and fewer jobs for your kids. Do you like, want that? I mean I don't. I understand business changing and all that but the states that do well with "at home" business are the ones that are "inviting" in the sense of tax subsidies, stating "We have a large portion of our state who has a decent education and wants to work for you!" and tax shelters an subsidies.

    Want to know why so many health insurance companies are based out of Delaware and whatnot? Delaware makes it really inviting for them to "increase profit" by offering incentives.

    And also, like, if we want to see countries remain countries, this sort of open free trade benefits NO ONE. If you are a globalist, then complain about the Chinese tariffs and how it will "cost you" more.

    Actually over the long run, if a country wants to succeed it needs to keep some of its jobs at home. I am always willing to support an American based business if I can, and if their manufacturing is here, so much the better.

    But, unless you want to put your 10 year olds to work on mods, and pay them 17 cents an hour, then you HAVE to accept that American companies must pay a living wage, and you will pay more and often that payment will like, pay off in that you get something more durable, etc.

    For example I used to have a shoe addiction. I had lots of really poor quality shoes. The only shoes I wear these days are Dansco clogs, the clogs for the Health care worker and they cost a LOT. They also allow you to run around all day, and they last forever. And that, apart from a good quality sneaker, a good quality hiking boot, some cheap flip flops, and slippers and a few "dressy" shoes that are cheap, well that's all I need. IN NO WAY am I youthful enough to try to trick myself into thinking I can find a high heeled shoe worthy of purchase because if you wear those all day you are a masochist.

    Even on freaking SHARKTANK like if I see an American manufacture business, if that business is like, "Marmalade in a Teddy Bear for those American kids who love Paddington Bear" well I'm like at least it's based HERE.

    I am no economist but I will say this, the idea of jobs just going away here isn't the greatest and etc.

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    People seem to forget, a business or corp has one master, it is profit. They have no loyalty to country or worker or country leader. Their only loyalty is to profit. Without that they cease to exist. Tariffs are a disaster because businesses and corps affected by them will move to where their market is without tariffs. If USA is not their main market, they will move elsewhere. If tariffs hurt a US business they will move or go out of business. Profit is only driven by a few things, product demand, low cost supplies and low cost labor. That creates the profit and profit is the master of all business and corporations.
     

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    Yeah, I didn't quite know how to respond to that business bit, because actually the Business is not a living, breathing thing, that business is OWNED. By whom, and by what values one could argue AT LENGTH, but the master of the "business" is quite simply the OWNERS/shareholders whatever.

    The fact that we have somehow decided to blame the hydra headed monster that is "business" instead of the people RUNNING it seems a bit like a copout to me.

    You don't HAVE to live by the almighty dollar, the "most I can get" and etc. THAT IS NOT AN UNCHANGING thing.

    Business are what you MAKE them, and corporations today SUCK. It was when this idea of "more is never going to be enough" and then "people and imaginary currency are somehow interchangeable" got going, that is when things got dire.

    I do not know what caused it, and maybe POWER is now money and instead of sending your serfs out to die for your for land, you tax and make sure YOUR profit margin is LEAN and bloody and SO SO RED.

    But come on now. There are businesses that do things certain ways and those that don't and when it comes to values and shreds of humanity, I'd prefer a business owner who at least GIVES a rats ... about employees not just PROFIT.

    Yeah I know how silly of me.

    I guess Businesses are the new Dragons with fire breath and their poor CEOs and stockholders must just DO WHAT THE DRAGON says or DOOM will come across the land. Etc.

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