My head is ready to explode. We're in a brave new world and they won't even give us soma. 
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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If they try i will defend myself and my home with several unregistered firearms (heirlooms)
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The part on ecigs and the like starts on page 204. A bunch of stuff was mentioned there, like hookahs, but I'm not sure about your question.
I don't think anyone has had time to properly deconstruct the FDA document yet. It's long and complicated and written in a government language that looks like English but isn't really. People are working on it. Vaping.com said they would try to get some analysis published tomorrow, and CASAA has their experts working on it. I think we are going to have to wait a while to get more definitive answers. Plus a lot of it seems to have been written in a fuzzy way which allows the FDA to fill in the gaps later.
I hear you. I'm feeling beat down, myself. All of the letter-writing, petition-signing, phone calls feel like I wasted my time; time that could have been used stocking up like a survivalist.
So, I'll be stocking up on nic liquid, atomizers, wire, 18650s, and flavorings.
I tried for 20 years to quit. I'm 5 years smoke-free. I'd be lying if I told you I haven't cried today. Between this and Obamacare, I'm so screwed.
Kind like vote yes now and we'll tell ya later what's in it
. I'm thinking it's not sounding too good tho
If you plan on being a life long vaper sooner or later you'll be mixing and rebuilding. Why put it off, especially now?
There is a kid where I work who started vaping recently. He vapes so little nic that a 1 liter bottle of 100mg concentrate would last him 35 years. I'm talking to him about it.
There is a kid where I work who started vaping recently. He vapes so little nic that a 1 liter bottle of 100mg concentrate would last him 35 years. I'm talking to him about it.
In 35 years my boys will be dragging on the floor. Maybe I could get by with a liter bit less than a liter.
FDA took a sledgehammer to us.
People thought maybe a scalpel.
FOUR HUNDRED NINETY NINE PAGES LOL.
People thought maybe a scalpel.
FOUR HUNDRED NINETY NINE PAGES LOL.
You have mistaken my attitude. I have no intention of laying down, and I will support any and all efforts that we manage to put together. I actually donate money to all these organizations, send off letters and make phone calls. I have done that today.The FDA has changed it's mind in the past. We don't know that they won't this time. We are all sickened by this, but now is the time to fight even HARDER. Reaching out to ALL in the vaping community. Hit up ALL the vaping forums you know of. Your friends, family. Get as many people involved as you can. It is NOT over. Read what CASAA had to say today. Other Vaping organizations are saying the same thing. They are certainly NOT ready to give up. NOT even CLOSE. If you want to feel this way, that's on you. I want you to stay and fight with us, even if you ARE discouraged. Thank you for reading this....
But I honestly believe that the chances of this making a real difference are negligible. It is obvious from the scope of these regulations that the FDA considers our efforts to be of no consequence, and the chance of enough politicians to getting together to override their Big Tobacco money machine and overturn the FDA is extremely small. Especially when the rallying cry has been "save our children." It makes for an easy out.
Perhaps we need more doomsayers like me to propel people into meaningful action, because fear is the greatest motivator. That's what we truly need around this issue - fear. Fear that we are going to be forced back to tobacco, fear that we will be viewed as just another group of smokers, and fear that people will die because of this situation.
This needs to reach beyond vaping forums and the vaping community in general. That is just too small a sample size to have a major impact. People are throwing out the NRA as an example, but the big difference is that the members of the NRA are known voters who will vote based on that one issue, whereas we are not. For all the good that CASAA has done and their righteous efforts, the simple fact is they are no NRA. It took the NRA years to get that power with the financial backing of all the major gun manufacturers - vape manufacturers simply don't have the deep pockets that gun makers do. And years we do not have.
Yes, by all means, keep up the good fight. I will do all I can in my world. I am already the biggest advocate for vaping among my circle of friends and co-workers, and I'm the go-to guy for advice and information among everyone I know. I will fight, but I will leave my rose-colored glasses at home.
I think the best thing we can do at the moment is to stock up on things we need: extra e-liquid, batteries, etc. At least have some for a little while.
If worse comes to worse, I've personally decided that I will never go back to regular cigarettes.
Today is a big win for big tobacco.
If worse comes to worse, I've personally decided that I will never go back to regular cigarettes.
Today is a big win for big tobacco.
Does anyone have any suggestions for places to gather statistics, about the number of people who started vaping, say before 2007, then between 2007 and now etc? I want to write an op-ed for my local newspaper. There are tons of smokers around here (rural, poor area) and few vapors. I would like to try and write a good piece to help educate my local community, and I'd like some statistics to more or less back up my point that the vaping boom happened because of the advancing technology and how these regs will snuff out the technology that is proven effective...
This too will change. 90 days ... 2 years until it all takes effect. Dekang says they have been registered with the FDA since 2011. That's what I vape.
Now to stock up for a while as the smoke and dust begins to fly into the air.
Now to stock up for a while as the smoke and dust begins to fly into the air.
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You forgot potatoes.
Is over-the-counter nicotine gum in peril? What about the Nicotrol Inhaler? I know a prescription is required, but wouldn't it now be considered a tobacco product? How To Use Prescription NICOTROL® Inhaler (nicotine inhalation system)
There was one Dem signed on to the amendment to the budget that changes the grandfather date the same way. Last I saw there weren't any Dem names on HR 2058, and not enough Rep names to give it legs.
The budget amendment seems like it would be a better chance for us, since Obama is committed to signing the budget, he certainly wouldn't block it just because of a grandfather date change. Whereas he might well block HR 2058 as a standalone bill.
Not sure I understand what you mean "FDA compliant". Certainly they haven't applied, much less been approved, as a new tobacco product?
Cool, is the nicotine liquid e-juice vendors use a tobacco extract? Otherwise this deeming seems factually incorrect.
where's the link to your bail fund going to be?Just keep an eye on News Headlines for - Crxess Arrested for Home Brew E-liquids
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I don't think this is anything to get too alarmed about.
There is a way around almost any regulation.
For instance, I'm coming to vaping from smoking.
I don't pay $10 a pack, I pay around $1 a pack because I use 'pipe tobacco'
If that was to be banned (and if I continued to smoke) I would buy my tobacco in leaf form, and there is no tax because it is not in its final smokable form.
I imagine that the same will apply to nicotine - any taxes etc will probably not apply until it is made into e liquid.
Same goes for flavorings, PG and VG - they are not e liquid until you mix them all together.
True, you will only be able to make it for personal use, and this will put many (most?) E liquid manufacturers out of business, but it doesn't have to be the end of vaping.
I'm not sure how this will affect PV's themselves, but there is plenty of time to stock up on mech mods (no electronics to fail) stainless steel (ie no glass to break) tanks, rebuildable decks etc.
Resistance wire for coils will not be banned.
18650 batteries will not be banned.
It will be crappy, but it won't be the end for those determined enough to vape.
There is a way around almost any regulation.
For instance, I'm coming to vaping from smoking.
I don't pay $10 a pack, I pay around $1 a pack because I use 'pipe tobacco'
If that was to be banned (and if I continued to smoke) I would buy my tobacco in leaf form, and there is no tax because it is not in its final smokable form.
I imagine that the same will apply to nicotine - any taxes etc will probably not apply until it is made into e liquid.
Same goes for flavorings, PG and VG - they are not e liquid until you mix them all together.
True, you will only be able to make it for personal use, and this will put many (most?) E liquid manufacturers out of business, but it doesn't have to be the end of vaping.
I'm not sure how this will affect PV's themselves, but there is plenty of time to stock up on mech mods (no electronics to fail) stainless steel (ie no glass to break) tanks, rebuildable decks etc.
Resistance wire for coils will not be banned.
18650 batteries will not be banned.
It will be crappy, but it won't be the end for those determined enough to vape.
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