Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[nicnik]

Hey FDA: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed food trough wipers! Your mother was a prohibitionist and your father smelt of Anslinger! I blow clouds in your general direction.

You're throwing away any chance of a career in tobacco Control.

 

[Butch]

They can have my ecigs, right after they take my guns..............Can you say Waco, Ruby Ridge..........trust in government is a fools errand.

 

[Robino1]

can someone clarify. I buy premade coils. When will the ban on those take effect? Do i need to start stocking up or is that something under the 2 year provision?

My understanding is two years. If that is wrong, someone correct me.

 

[Empress Kitty]

Okay! I signed it, with the following added comment:
"Changing to vaping has helped me quit a 45+ year cigarette addiction. I have been cigarette free for close to 3 years, due solely to vaping. I highly recommend vaping to any smokers as a viable alternative. Yes, nicotine is addictive, but it is not as harmful when inhaled as a vapor as it is when inhaled as smoke, because all the the negative elements in the smoke are missing in the vapor. I believe it is an undue burden being placed on vendors in the vaping industry who make their livelihood providing a valuable service to our community. This action by non-elected pencil-pushers proves that they do not have the health interests of the American people at heart; but, are instead interested in lining their own pockets with Big Tobacco money."

I guess I'm an old cynic, because I'm not naive enough to believe that our government is in the least bit interested in what the people they govern say, unless it provides some little quip they can use to help get themselves elected and/or re-elected. I am also not naive enough to think that the FDA cares at all about the health and well-being of the people it is supposed to protect. Take for example the Breo commercial (seen on hulu and probably on television, too.) In this commercial it is announce that Breo contains a type of medication that can cause death to asthma sufferers - and it is an asthma medication! Does this sound like the FDA is trying to protect people, or more like it is taking money to push a potentially fatal drug onto the American people?

Love this! Well said indeed. ^.^

 

[crxess]

The kid choked to death on the cap?

A Tragedy, whatever the cause. However it was not from Vaping, it was from parental negligence.

 

[crxess]

Someone else gave me that link and being the complete idiot I am, (with zero patience) I keep clicking on all the links and it's just redirecting me to forum threads. I'm not seeing an actual blog or link a simple shopping list of what someone needs to get started. Thats a lot of links to click and sort through just to find a beginner basic blog

See the Sticky Post at the TOP of the DIY Forums for a lot of assistance and clarification.

 

[Hulamoon]

Bump. Please support HB 2058. Let's not shrug away this opportunity. Remember the FDA already got their azz kicked clean to the moon when they tried to block nicotine shipments last time round, and I see no reason why that would be overturned.
CASAA: FDA Deeming Regulations: Release and Next Steps

support HR 2058

 

[zoiDman]

can someone clarify. I buy premade coils. When will the ban on those take effect? Do i need to start stocking up or is that something under the 2 year provision?

Even if the Coils are Unaffected for 2 Years, something you should Ask is will the Company you buy them from still be around in 2 Years?

When it comes to Vaping Supplies, I live by the Moto of...

"Hope for the Best. But Plan for the Worst."

 

[classwife]

Apologies for not writing up an overview on where we're at. Need more time to digest.

HOWEVER (and similar to @phephner ner above) I'm also of the opinion that the game is now on...

AND I've just come off a call planning the most incredible event the e-cig world has ever seen - stay tuned

Ollllliverrrrrr !!!

Queues Jeopardy music...

 

[USMCotaku]

Not sure why some Doctors are getting their Knickers in a Twist over Flavors?

I mean, Didn't they hear what Mr. Zeller had to say yesterday on the PBS Newshour when asked Directly about Flavors?

(Flavoring Question @ 5:41)
Skyrocketing teen use of e-cigarettes leads to new regulations

I mean Jeeze... It's not like We Can't Trust the FDA to do the Right Thing.

Right?

I'd like to know where that FDA talking head got the "numbers" that "70% of adults are still smoking conventional cigarettes while using e-cigarettes", and if that number was arrived at honestly (FDA honest, yeah, right), then how long had the people polled been vaping?

 

[englishmick]

can someone clarify. I buy premade coils. When will the ban on those take effect? Do i need to start stocking up or is that something under the 2 year provision?

It should be 2 years. On the other hand don't expect vendors to go on selling until the last day. I imagine supplies will start to dry up well before the deadline. Manufacturers, shippers, resellers, will want to be sure all product is out of the supply chain before then, which could take many months. It's possible the market will begin to change quite soon. People who don't expect to be able to get certified by the FDA might pull the plug sooner rather than later. Juice makers and hardware makers are dependent on each other, among other dependencies. Nobody will want to be the last man standing, with a warehouse full of coils for tanks that might not be sold next week.

And as the supplies start to dry up prices will start to rise.

 

[USMCotaku]

man, this thread is moving too fast to keep up with.
That is a good thing though, showing an active interest in one of the most important things going on for the vape industry.

One of the problems I see, a reason we are where we are today, is far to many of these vape shops are in it for the quick buck and not the long haul. By this, I mean they have no plans of being proactive and fighting for vapers rights...they plan to sell as long as they can for as much mark up as they can, and move on to something else when the well runs dry. I know of two shops in my area that fit this bill....and I no longer buy anything from either.

 

[nicnik]

Katya, let me emphasize again that these are regulations and not laws.

But we still get to be deemed criminals if we disobey them, right? It'll be a badge of honor, in this case.

 

[crxess]

Senator Barbra Mikulski - MD

Is a WASTE of time on the Vaping Debate.
-0- Self educated interest
Party Line Canned responses to contact

Thank you for getting in touch with me about the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 (H.R. 2058). It's great to hear from you.

As you may know, the bipartisan Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act amended federal law to require the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to regulate tobacco products. Under that law, FDA has proposed a rule that, once finalized, would bring e-cigarettes and e-cigarette cartridges under this tobacco regulation. The FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 would tie the "grandfathered" date for these products to the date of any finalized FDA rule, which would exempt some products from registration and pre-market review requirements.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), smoking causes more than 480,000 deaths each year – more than HIV, illegal drug use, alcohol use, car crashes, and gun deaths combined. Smoking costs the United States nearly $300 billion per year in direct medical costs and lost productivity. I am particularly disturbed about tobacco use by young people, as almost 90% of adults who smoke started smoking before the age of 18.

Although the unique health risks associated with e-cigarettes are not yet fully understood, it is well-known that e-cigarettes contain highly addictive nicotine and other chemicals. E-cigarette use among children has skyrocketed in recent years - tripling between 2013 and 2014 alone, according to CDC and FDA. Despite e-cigarettes' potential to harm, they are currently unregulated by FDA and are available to children in many states. I believe the FDA should have the authority to regulate these products.

Again, thanks for contacting me. I will keep your views in mind should H.R. 2058 come before the Senate. Please let me know if I can be of help to you in the future.

Sincerely,
Barbara A. Mikulski
United States Senator

I Highly doubt she has ever looked at any SCIENTIFIC Data on E-cigarettes or Nicotine without Smoking and could care less about the shear number of persons now NOT SMOKING due to the availability of a SAFER ALTERNATIVE.

I Ask about supporting HR2058, Not for permission to Sell to Children

 

[Kent C]

So is this Progress Chart Incorrect? Or am I reading it Incorrectly?


Congressional Review Act


(5 U.S.C. 801-808)

An agency must submit most final
rules, interim final rules, and direct
final rules, along with supporting
information, to both houses of
Congress and the General Accounting
Office before they can take effect.



http://www.reginfo.gov/public/reginfo/Regmap/regmap.pdf

I think I knew that at one point in time However, the link I posted (the third part of Step 9) said it will be final on May 10th, so perhaps it's being reviewed by Congress now????

The other provisions on Step 9:


Administrative Procedure


Act Provisions

Under the Administrative Procedure

Act provisions that are included as

part of the Freedom of Information

Act at 5 U.S.C. 552, agencies are

required to publish final rules, interim

final rules, and direct final rules

in the Federal Register.



Federal Register Act


(44 U.S.C. 1501-1511)

The Federal Register Act at 44

U.S.C. 1510 (implemented at 1 CFR

8.1) requires rules that have general

applicability and legal effect to be

published in the Code of Federal

Regulations.

 

[USMCotaku]

as far as I know...no, you wont be deemed a criminal for possession or use of any of these products....it is the selling of that is the issue.....you could still make your own, and vape it all you want. They would have to add nicotine products to the controlled substance list to add criminal infraction for personal use to it.....and that is something the people who funded and pushed for all of this will never allow

 

[salemgold]

Here is something I posted Yesterday in Another Thread ...

Yes. I used to buy cigarettes online ( from Europe) when I smoked. I had to fax them a copy of my drivers license to keep on file. I thought all along that was the way things would go with vape gear.

 

[zoiDman]

I'd like to know where that FDA talking head got the "numbers" that "70% of adults are still smoking conventional cigarettes while using e-cigarettes", and if that number was arrived at honestly (FDA honest, yeah, right), then how long had the people polled been vaping?

The Selectively Polled the Dual-User Threads on the ECF?



Seriously though. Where the Statistics can be Mis-Leading is even if the 70% Percentile was correct (which it is Not), what would his Statement sound like if he then Mentioned that More than 2/3 of those Polled were found to have Quit Smoking Completely after 90 Days?

Dual Use percentages need to be Split into Long Term Dual Use and Transitional Dual Use.

BTW - If I went from a 2 PAD Habit to Smoking 3 Cigarettes a Day by using an e-Cigarette, I would still fall into that Fictitious 70% group.

And going from Any Amount of Cigarette Smoking to Any Smaller Amount of Cigarette Smoking IS Harm Reduction. So the FDA and the CDC should quit Screwing with the Numbers and the Charts. And get back to Public Health.

Harm Reduction is what Public Health should be About.

 

[Lacit1707]

Good for you. Their crappy food is more harmful to a person's health than vaping is. Seriously, those chain "neighborhood restaurants" are only 1 step up from McDonald's. All they serve is frozen, processed garbage.

A couple years ago, some fool at a Starbucks scolded me that I couldn't vape in their outside seating area.. which was nearly empty. Starbucks hasn't seen a dime of my money since, and never will again. My own coffee's better anyway.

Even if the Coils are Unaffected for 2 Years, something you should Ask is will the Company you buy them from still be around in 2 Years?

When it comes to Vaping Supplies, I live by the Moto of...

"Hope for the Best. But Plan for the Worst."

It should be 2 years. On the other hand don't expect vendors to go on selling until the last day. I imagine supplies will start to dry up well before the deadline. Manufacturers, shippers, resellers, will want to be sure all product is out of the supply chain before then, which could take many months. It's possible the market will begin to change quite soon. People who don't expect to be able to get certified by the FDA might pull the plug sooner rather than later. Juice makers and hardware makers are dependent on each other, among other dependencies. Nobody will want to be the last man standing, with a warehouse full of coils for tanks that might not be sold next week.

And as the supplies start to dry up prices will start to rise.

im buying Kanger Coils as of now. They are a pretty big company but i need to difure out if and when to stock before shortages and price increases might happen.... We are day 2 into this, so ill see what info comes out in the coming weeks.

 

[USMCotaku]

This should be a wake up call to ALL vapers. It is time to put aside our petty differences.......cloud chaser vs. tootle puffers, mech vs. regulated, TC vs. VW, clone vs. authentic.........and band together as a united front. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. If we all band together, unified, we can become one HELL of a squeaky wheel.