When does Congress go for summer break? Memorial Day? July 4th? I have a feeling that Congress will do nothing before the election. Sigh...... Great timing for Obama and the FDA.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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When does Congress go for summer break? Memorial Day? July 4th? I have a feeling that Congress will do nothing before the election. Sigh...... Great timing for Obama and the FDA.
I feel that for sure. But also have found this issue follows me away from the computer, even if I don't bring it up. And have found that venting with fellow vapers is best because I don't have to speak in a debating type of manner about ideas that apparently are not understood in scientific way from non-vapers and anti-vapers.
The forum allows me to coalesce my thoughts, get updated information from other pertinent perspectives and express what negative thoughts I have in a more calm, sometimes humorous manner. My fuse for the non-vaper is longer than the anti-vaper, but not by much, especially if the non-vaper is short on scientific understanding and lacking ability to think things through.
Including vapers, the whole underground market aspect is a bit of an unknown, but vapers are at least tuned into the idea. And I currently believe it will be huge and it will have a lot to do with how zealous the FDA chose to be. I guess the alternative is to pretend it won't exist because all product will be eliminated, but too many factors suggest otherwise for me to go in that direction. Plus, I really do think it is where the consumer fits in the fight. We've already done the contact politicians thing and I know we will continue that, but FDA has essentially made it so hard to overcome politically, that it would take a presidential candidate, a unified congress or emergence of an actual world leader to change this in a way that truly upholds the pro-vaping position. Underground market, by its very existence, will be supporting pro-vaping position and essentially undoing anything anti-vapers were going for. They thought it was wild west before? Ha, that's just getting started. And to get rid of the new wild west would take a humbled anti-vaping leader (i.e. Zeller) to say the regulatory framework does need to be reconsidered, due to how much they underestimated the illicit market.
Hardly, I mean its a good talking point to rile up libertarians maybe but the boat sailed on that nearly a hundred years ago - the supreme court has made it abundantly clear that the commerce clause allows taxation / legislation willy nilly.
There are Regulations in Place for Gum, Candy, and Foods with regards to things like "1st Use" and when Recycled "Plastics" can be used and Exactly what type of Recycled "Plastics" (and at what Percentage) are Allowed.
Regulations are Not Always the Oppressive, Market Crushing, Sudo-Ban like what we see here with the FDA's PMTA for ENDS.
Can't hurt. My eyes were opened to fracking by a documentary, however most of the general public would rather knaw off an arm than watch a documentary. Perhaps vital snippits in advertising slots, but most have that FF button on the DVR. Not knocking the film or effort, I applaud both.
Please let's not continue with their derogatory name for Ecigs
UGH I hate that name 'ends'.
Kinda serious, kinda inserting sarcasm .... It just hit me weird.
I was in the industry back then and it was the home video games that decimated it long before the ESRB was created in 94.
I'm thinking others have already responded to this post, but perhaps not stated what I am.
I'm curious what any vaper thinks a petition would do right now? You are saying a petition to the current WH will have you actively involved in a counter fight to the Final Rule. Please inform me/us on how that works. I'm interested in the reasoning here.
this is what’s going to happen. Best case scenario.
The amendment to change the deeming date that is in the 2017 agriculture appropriations bill will pass.
The FDA will begin to regulate everything but the equivalence date change will enable the industry to survive to be a cash cow. They will tax the crap out of everything and vaping will become much more expensive. Vapors will not go back to smoking in mass and the giant black market that 2007 equivalence creates serves no one except BT. Making vaping hardware and liquid illegal would only increase its popularity among the youth and the loss of tax revenue and potential tax revenue would be too much.
If they change the date via a spending bill amendment all the politicians win.
The republicans get to save an industry and the dems get to demonize an industry that actually continues to exist for the purpose of taxation and demonization. Even the FDA wins – what’s the fun in regulating an industry that doesn’t exist?
Our saviors in government can really only win in the long run if they have an industry to regulate.
I’m not going to panic until the Cole amendment is stripped from the Agriculture Funding Bill.
The amendment to change the deeming date that is in the 2017 agriculture appropriations bill will pass.
The FDA will begin to regulate everything but the equivalence date change will enable the industry to survive to be a cash cow. They will tax the crap out of everything and vaping will become much more expensive. Vapors will not go back to smoking in mass and the giant black market that 2007 equivalence creates serves no one except BT. Making vaping hardware and liquid illegal would only increase its popularity among the youth and the loss of tax revenue and potential tax revenue would be too much.
If they change the date via a spending bill amendment all the politicians win.
The republicans get to save an industry and the dems get to demonize an industry that actually continues to exist for the purpose of taxation and demonization. Even the FDA wins – what’s the fun in regulating an industry that doesn’t exist?
Our saviors in government can really only win in the long run if they have an industry to regulate.
I’m not going to panic until the Cole amendment is stripped from the Agriculture Funding Bill.
In California, carding people for 21+
Not until June 9th, 2016.
And Hopefully before then we can Stuff a Big Fat Legal Action up Leno's and his merry band of Do-Good-ers ....
See Oliver's Comment on Impossible to Control.
Initial implementation will likely come in the form of Over worked, under trained Customs Agents with no clue what is what. Lots of slow downs on Verification and transport flow. Excessive Port research and tons of Mistakes or plain Frustration rejections.
On the What is What end - Grants to Private companies to Monitor introduction of non current products internationally to tag as in Violation of FDA Approval.(More Wasted Money)
*Note - The Proposed FDA Budget RELY'S on DEEMING E-cigarettes and Includes Expansion of Property and Employees<<<<<<<<<<<<< sounds like business growth.
This Country Cannot be fixed or even continue to endlessly operate on Monopolization and Ever Increasing Non-Productive Government Expense.
Our Governing Body does nothing more than create Paperwork and increased Debt at an ever growing cost to the People.
Please let's not continue with their derogatory name for Ecigs
UGH I hate that name 'ends'.
Kinda serious, kinda inserting sarcasm .... It just hit me weird.
Just wanted to be Clear. But if you like, I won't use ENDS anymore.
I know. I probably should have hit cancel instead of post reply.Just wanted to be Clear. But if you like, I won't use ENDS anymore.
This is just so maddening, sad, frustrating, troubling.
I have now, but didn't do any asking. I just see it as easy way for Trump to get additional support if he speaks to the issue, especially right now.
Just wanted to be Clear. But if you like, I won't use ENDS anymore.
Maybe call it, the delivery system
Hey No Problem Robino. I think All of this has everyone On Edge. And Isn't where we want to be After 5 Years of waiting.
I feel Complete Disgusted and Betrayed by the FDA's actions. Not for myself. None of this will Effect me much. But for the Hundred of Thousand of current Smokers who will Never be given the opportunity that I had to Get Off Cigarettes.
I think Congress should draft Legislation to Replace the words "Public Heath" from All FDA Signs and Printed Material and in their place, insert various Corporate Logos of BT and BP.
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