Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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They told people objecting to the trailer's spreading of that ANTZ lie that 165,000 children die every year from 2nd hand smoke, that that statement will not appear in the film. I hope they made good on that assurance.
 

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While preparing my vapocalypse stash, I've been making purchases both online and in B&M shops (gotta spread the love). I stopped in a B&M that I've purchased from in the past (before it was taken over by hipster cloud-chasers) to purchase an extra 18650 LG HG2.

Brought the FDA subject up with guy behind the counter that was ringing me up...his response, "vaping is too big. It's not going anywhere. We're not worried about what they try to do." No CASAA flyers or notices or anything in the shop. I think these guys bother me as much as the anti-vapers.
 

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Don't delude yourself into thinking that they are not already aware of these true scientific facts. Because they are. It's not about that.

The response from the staff person who took my call to my local rep's DC office was a mixture of concern, and surprise. He claimed that he, and the Congresswoman were unaware of how broad the regulations were, and the effects they were going to have.
I actually believe that. Unfortunately, outside of their specific committee assignments, and pet issues many of our lawmakers ARE ignorant of the issues that they're voting on. That's one of the reasons that lobbying, and special interest groups have the influence they do in the legislative process. Frequently they're the only ones talking about the issues. It isn't always about the money, but that's the safest way to bet..
 
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They told people objecting to the trailer's spreading of that ANTZ lie that 165,000 children die every year from 2nd hand smoke, that that statement will not appear in the film. I hope they made good on that assurance.

I have seen this term ANTZ several times over the last few day, and I am unfamiliar. Is it a reference to the underlying message of the film by the same name, or does it mean something different?
 

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Since software updates are clearly spelled out to be included in the deeming, not only will the update be a violation, but any cord you use to connect to download it, would be a tobacco product, even if it's not the one that came with the device.
Why not let's go all the way...

Your fingers are a tobacco product for getting you to the website.
Your brain is a tobacco product for even thinking of it in the first place.

I mean, seriously, this is just downright scary.
It's as if they've lost their mind, and no one but us cares.
 

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Those that are so hard core anti smoking they cannot or will not even consider the possibility that nicotine is NOT the bad guy.
If it looks like smoking, it is smoking.
Thank you very much for this.

So, in a way, it is like the underlying message in the film of the same name, too.
 
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post: 17707201, member: 153614"]Not sure if this has been mentioned before but, people are slamming FDA on FB. Some people are stating "vaping saved my life, smoke free for "X" years. And probably on Twitter too but I don't have an account to see. Social media can reach thousands and I hope it keeps going!

ETA...maybe this guy needs to be bothered a bit with emails and so forth. HAHAHAHA

Meet Robert M. Califf, M.D., Commissioner of Food and Drugs[/QUOTE]8
I just sent them a little note.................What's it going to hurt? Not that it makes any difference but I feel better.
 

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I have seen this term ANTZ several times over the last few day, and I am unfamiliar. Is it a reference to the underlying message of the film by the same name, or does it mean something different?

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More useful acronyms here: Acronyms
 
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No one has to close shop in 90 days

That's good to know. Someone should tell them.

"But Triplett's main concern is with the new testing and reviewing process. In 90 days, every vape shop will be required to submit their vaping products to the FDA.

"We're talking every single flavor and nicotine level that has to be tested now," says Triplett.

He says the costs to get these products reviewed are so high that many local vape shops will be forced to close their doors."

Local vape shops fear FDA rules may put them out of business

"In 90 days, the new guidelines will take effect, including the review process. It means every single vape shop in the country will have to submit each of its vaping products to the FDA for testing.

Vape shops say the fees for getting products tested and reviewed by the FDA are so high, most vape shops will go bankrupt and have to close their doors"

Local vape shops say FDA running them out of business

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) published long-awaited rules Thursday that could ban 99 percent of e-cigarette products and wreck industry innovation for years to come.

Since almost all vapor products on the market were released after February 2007, hardly any will avoid a PMTA and almost no businesses, with the exception of big tobacco companies, will be able to bear the regulatory burden.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/05/fda-announces-rule-to-ban-99-percent-of-e-cigarettes/#ixzz487BHwCYt
 

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Those that are so hard core anti smoking they cannot or will not even consider the possibility that nicotine is NOT the bad guy.
If it looks like smoking, it is smoking.

I have come to realize in life there are those that are just bitter, you can't make them happy even if you use a brand new rope to hang them!

P.S. what if it looks "smoking hot, while vaping"? ;)
 

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Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but there's over 100 pages here, and while I believe I've read the majority of them, I may have missed some discussions.

Anyway, I'm wondering about what kind of reaction the CC companies are going to have to this new development. For example, PP already has restrictions on devices, etc., is this coming for CC too?

Again, my apologies if this has been discussed...

Wow... When I used to smoke I ordered all my cigars online. Boom! I bet that stops happening due to these large Bank/CC companies wanting to be PC.
 

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