Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[WhiteHighlights]

This is the mentality we're dealing with:

"In an interview with Vox, Mitch Zeller conceded e-cigarettes are far less hazardous than tobacco cigarettes, but refused to endorse the 95 percent safety figure accepted by bodies such as Public Health England and the Royal College of Physicians.

<snip>

If I were a pack-a-day smoker who was unable or unwilling to quit, and I substituted my cigarettes for e-cigarettes, there’s no question I’d be significantly reducing my risk. But as a regulatory agency, we have to make decisions at the population level.”

[article here]

Hmm. So, harm reduction for the 20% +/- of the population that still smokes doesn't count. The children who might take up smoking doesn't count because we're going to make sure they can't get them. The rest of the population doesn't count because there is no second hand vapor to impact them. Therefore, the population doesn't count at all for these regs. There's a lot of money in the population of smokers for BT and BP that counts!

 

[Wing]

This is the mentality we're dealing with:

"In an interview with Vox, Mitch Zeller conceded e-cigarettes are far less hazardous than tobacco cigarettes, but refused to endorse the 95 percent safety figure accepted by bodies such as Public Health England and the Royal College of Physicians.

<snip>

If I were a pack-a-day smoker who was unable or unwilling to quit, and I substituted my cigarettes for e-cigarettes, there’s no question I’d be significantly reducing my risk. But as a regulatory agency, we have to make decisions at the population level.”

[article here]

That's ....ing infuriating.

 

[sparkky1]

Nicopure Labs Challenges the FDA’s Deeming Rule - Nicopure Labs LLC.

 

[Robino1]

Nicopure Labs Challenges the FDA’s Deeming Rule - Nicopure Labs LLC.

 

[nicnik]

This guy is definitely anti-vaping

Mark Kirk (@SenatorKirk) | Twitter

Got a link I can read about it?

 

[SeniorBoy]

LOL! So I called the FDA as a "consumer" option and was transferred to voice mail for a given employee whose name escape me. Leave a message!

So I called the FDA as a member of the press/media option which believe it or not is legit /lol Recording to call another number. OK I did and ran into another employees voice mail.

So.... "Operators are standing by...." not so much.

Stay Strong! Continue to fight!

 

[Pamawoman]

Just in case you

have any questions.

 

[Pamawoman]

Nicopure Labs Challenges the FDA’s Deeming Rule - Nicopure Labs LLC.

Just notified them that I would like to be in court as a show of support with them since I live in Orlando.

 

[pamdis]

Got a link I can read about it?

His tweet on the day the regs were released:

.@US_FDA made the right decision– new steps will keep young Americans safe from the dangers of tobacco products http://1.usa.gov/1rXMGyK

 

[nicnik]

Let's light up those phone lines!

Might make it harder for people in need of quick information to get through. Vape shop, advocacy organizations the press and others might have a difficult time enough getting someone there on the phone, so I'd suggest not calling merely for the sake of tying up the lines, especially having read the above post by SeniorBoy.

 

[bobwho77]

Nicopure Labs Challenges the FDA’s Deeming Rule - Nicopure Labs LLC.

And so it begins...

 

[nicnik]

His tweet on the day the regs were released:

.@US_FDA made the right decision– new steps will keep young Americans safe from the dangers of tobacco products http://1.usa.gov/1rXMGyK

Thank you!

 

[Bronze]

99.9% of the effort expended by ordinary citizens in writing these people is wasted. It takes campaign contributions and lobbyists. There is a reason why the suburbs surrounding Washington DC are among the wealthiest in the country.

You're half right and you're half wrong. Money and lobbyists have tremendous power to be sure. But what is that money for? It's to buy votes. Therefore, the vote is the ultimate prize. And if they back lousy legislation or avoid good legislation and their inbox gets flooded, they will take notice. Ask any politician. The one thing money cannot buy is voter compassion by voters who are motivated. Trump won the GOP nomination and spent less per vote than any of the candidates...by far.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Might make it harder for people in need of quick information to get through. Vape shop, advocacy organizations the press and others might have a difficult time enough getting someone there on the phone, so I'd suggest not calling merely for the sake of tying up the lines, especially having read the above post by SeniorBoy.

for the general public the option is completely different and lands in a nickie's ? mail box - i requested a return call

 

[nicnik]

for the general public the option is completely different and lands in a nickie's ? mail box - i requested a return call

OK, maybe not a problem, then. Maybe even I'll call. Nickie is a great name for asking my nicotine questions.

 

[phephner]

Just notified them that I would like to be in court as a show of support with them since I live in Orlando.

I do not believe any upcoming court proceedings will be held in Orlando.
United States District Court for the District of Columbia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[YoursTruli]

Nicopure Labs Challenges the FDA’s Deeming Rule - Nicopure Labs LLC.

Go Halo!

 

[Bob Chill]

I posted this in the pinned thread. I'm all for as many challenges and lawsuits as possible.

"It was only a matter of time and many more to come. Obviously the comment period ignored and dismissed every single point about reduced harm and effectiveness. However, in court the voice gets much louder. And will bring a lot more publicity for the cause. The unbiased truth will come out eventually. But it's going to be a cage match getting the job done."

 

[ZeroedIn]

...is this thing on?

 

[wiredlove]

...is this thing on?

Nope, can't hear you. -- The FDA.