Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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that's awesome...funny as hell and sad but true! (mebbe only $45 though?)
and it's good for 2000 puffs...equivalent of 5 cartons!!
no doubt!
Precision crafted by PM chemists to exacting standards to taste just like USA Mix!
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It's the go to excuse for many things, and certainly not restricted to Democrats.
If someone attacked a school, wouldn't you feel better if the teachers were armed?
Aren't you worried about grown men using the same bathroom as your 7yo daughter?
Basically, if anyone mentions protecting children, without also providing actual proof of harm, they want you to get emotional and stop thinking.
To my knowledge BT never deliberately altered their product in any way to make
it more addictive. Regardless of what they knew or more importantly what there opponents
accused them of knowing at any given time any alterations were due to controlling the
quality and consistency and accuracy of the product and reporting to the government of the amount
of nicotine in the tobacco,voluntarily making recommended changes that government agencies
were recommending to be changes in the law and,requirements to enter new products onto the
market.
If the net result of all this was that tobacco did become more addictive it was not done so
deliberately and most likely even if it was would not have the intended result. Those that develop
a dependency to smoking usually ramp up their use to maintain the dependency fairly quickly
whether it be 5 cigarettes,10 cigarettes even a pack a day and maintain this intake for a life
time more or less. Some do not of course but they are in a minority. Though there is a
tendency to increase usage over time but it is not a linear progression in most cases.
Half a pack in the twenties, a pack a day in the thirties then, maybe a pack and a half or to
by the forties and fifties after which increased use levels off although may not cease in
some cases. Most of the increases are due more to environmental factors such as advancing
in your career and winding up at a desk with a lot of free time and of course being under
employed or unemployed, (there is more smoking in lower economic groups) stress
and other things.
What people do not understand about nicotine dependency is once you do become
dependent, maintaining nicotine is not about getting a buzz because you are no longer
getting a buzz and getting a buzz has long been dropped as for your reason to smoke.
You remain smoking so as not to experience the withdrawal symptoms. This seems
to be a unique factor about smoking dependency. The body adjusts pretty quickly
to find its level to keep from going into withdrawals not crave every increasing amounts
to get that buzz. The buzz becomes a non factor.
Regards and sorry for getting carried away,
Mike
That's what happens when you hand people this much FDA ridiculousness. I'm surprised we've held it together for this long.
Personally, I'm only liking posts that at the very least makes me chuckle today, and may eventually default to just mindlessly watching videos. My FDA deemed headache yesterday has left me totally wiped.
Ok, here's me getting back on topic.
I say we fight these regs any way we can. I don't know the best way, or all the ways, but if someone suggests something and it sounds plausible to you, support it. Yes, we need to work together, but just because someone is in charge of something, it doesn't mean they always know what's best, so support whatever you want to support. If you're a consumer, support your vendors that seem to be fighting back. Keep up with the advocacy groups.
I have questions, and I haven't seen a satisfactory answer yet. How will nic base be affected? People keep saying it has other uses, but I've never seen it sold/advertised anywhere except for vape sites. Is it a raw material? Does it become a tobacco product if it's sold directly to consumers? Will nude nicotine(as an example) have to do a PMTA(s) for their base products? What's the likelihood of 100mg/ml nic getting approved?
I say we fight these regs any way we can. I don't know the best way, or all the ways, but if someone suggests something and it sounds plausible to you, support it. Yes, we need to work together, but just because someone is in charge of something, it doesn't mean they always know what's best, so support whatever you want to support. If you're a consumer, support your vendors that seem to be fighting back. Keep up with the advocacy groups.
I have questions, and I haven't seen a satisfactory answer yet. How will nic base be affected? People keep saying it has other uses, but I've never seen it sold/advertised anywhere except for vape sites. Is it a raw material? Does it become a tobacco product if it's sold directly to consumers? Will nude nicotine(as an example) have to do a PMTA(s) for their base products? What's the likelihood of 100mg/ml nic getting approved?
I know it CAN be used as a pesticide, but I don't know of anyone who markets USP grade nicotine in concentrations that we would want to use as anything other than for vaping.It makes a great ant killer I hear!
I am not sure if I understand what you are saying but, the owner of WL was a member here ( may still be) and other forums before opening WL. I do not believe that he sold nicotine before opening WL. I could be mistaken but don't think so.
Already on their radar, at least for adding caffeine to drinks:
FDA to Investigate Added Caffeine
It has been reported that Starbucks has much more caffeine than the "normal" coffee we used to drink, combined with much larger cup sizes.
So, from the "give-an-inch-and-take-a-mile" file, circa 2019: FDA regulates Starbucks coffee due to high caffeine content and possible exposure to children, requires a Pre-Market Caffeine Application (PMCA) per coffee blend, per coffee size, to be filed with the FDA each time the coffee is brewed, to ensure compliance with caffeine restrictions. Coffee only available to those over 18 with ID (21 in California). Starbucks closes 1,892 stores, and must install full gas chromatography labs in each remaining store to comply. New York Times claims that this is "sensible regulation" designed to keep children away from deadly and addictive caffeine.
I'm saying that according to his site, he was selling to Johnson & Johnson before us, making him not solely a vapor product wholesaler/distributor, like say MFS or Nude Nicotine would be. Now that you mention it though, I do remember him being on here. Makes me curious if J&J were truly purchasing from him.
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