Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[The Ocelot]

So, who wants to do the math, and see how many violations until $300,000?

A big factor is within what time frame the violations take place.

 

[The Ocelot]

In addition ejuice must be tested throughout the shelf life of the product.
So no juice can be test complete in less time than it's shelf life.

I wondered about that part too. Would the estimated prep time for the PMTA include a year or so for the shelf life test?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Ocelot, watch this.

 

[The Ocelot]

Ocelot, watch this.

I've watched it twice (I had to take a Xanax during the first time). It was while listening to all the tests he described that I forgot about pg/vg ratios. He also spells some of it out in his blog. The list probably grew after he wrote it, since he hadn't thought of all the permutations.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA Draft Guidance Confirms that Deeming Regulations Will Decimate the E-Cigarette Industry

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I've watched it twice (I had to take a Xanax during the first time). It was while listening to all the tests he described that I forgot about pg/vg ratios. He also spells some of it out in his blog. The list probably grew after he wrote it, since he hadn't thought of all the permutations.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA Draft Guidance Confirms that Deeming Regulations Will Decimate the E-Cigarette Industry

He messed up on the answer about DIY. He seemed to think the question was about Vape Shops making their own juice.

 

[nicnik]

After browsing this: Dropbox - VTA Guidance - Deeming Compliance Calendar - FINAL.pdf

I Predict that 12-31-16 will pretty much be the end of vaping as we do now in the USA.
UNLESS rules are changed.

That's registration deadline, not PMTA.

And most things will become unavailable before then.

Well, some things are gonna change and get more difficult, but I doubt most things become unavailable by that date.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That's registration deadline, not PMTA.



Well, some things are gonna change and get more difficult, but I doubt most things become unavailable.

I hope you are correct. But I fear that I am correct.
And by unavailable I mean unable to get thru the regular channels we now use to get vaping stuff.
Some will always be available if you know how to get it.

also look at what happens in February 2017....

 

[The Ocelot]

I hope you are correct. But I fear that I am correct.
And by unavailable I mean unable to get thru the regular channels we now use to get vaping stuff.
Some will always be available if you know how to get it.

But maybe not your favorite proprietary flavor from your favorite vendor.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

But maybe not your favorite proprietary flavor from your favorite vendor.

Did you look over the calendar link I posted above?

imho what is scheduled to happen on 12-31 and thru Fed 2017 will cause lots of vendors to bail.

By lots I mean most.

 

[nicnik]

Did you look over the calendar link I posted above?

imho what is scheduled to happen on 12-31 and thru Fed 2017 will cause lots of vendors to bail.

By lots I mean most.

Might be difficult but that's registering. Sending a list of their products to the FDA. Or am I misunderstanding that? Either I am, or you are.

 

[nicnik]

also look at what happens in February 2017....

The December and February stuff is a big burden for manufactureres to get it all done by then, but nothing anywhere near like what they need to do for PMTA.

 

[Train2]

I think a lot of shops and small juice brands ignore those dates, and then it takes a year for them to get a warning, then a fine or two, before they start disappearing...

 

[SeniorBoy]

I've watched it twice (I had to take a Xanax during the first time).

The last question Dr. S takes was mine. I was checking to make sure I had both oars in the water before I blogged. After the answer I took another nap!

 

[Kent C]

If you want a chance at success, you need to put away the personal freedoms argument at least until you've won some ground.
From here on out, it needs to be entirely about harm-reduction- a mature, articulate, carefully crafted discussion about vaping to get away from tobacco.

I agree with most of what you said except this ^^. Most successful movements had their 'flag bearers' and 'the reasonable'. The American Revolution needed both - the Sam Adams and Patrick Henry as well as Jefferson, John Adams and Hancock just to name a few. The NRA needed Heston and Nugent as much as LaPierre and say, David Kopel. Civil War - John Brown and Lincoln. Lenin/Trotsky. Lennon/McCartney :- )

 

[Kent C]

But what I personally believe very strongly is that some nicotine is GOOD for you.
Better, probably than NOT having any.

An apple a day keeps the doctor away . . . but so may a cigarette

 

[nicnik]

Most successful movements had their 'flag bearers' and 'the reasonable'. The American Revolution needed both - the Sam Adams and Patrick Henry as well as Jefferson, John Adams and Hancock just to name a few.

I'm sure glad they didn't have cable news, back then.

 

[nicnik]

I think a lot of shops and small juice brands ignore those dates, and then it takes a year for them to get a warning, then a fine or two, before they start disappearing...

I think the authorities are gonna get very tough. Back to check again, real soon after first vioalation, etc.

 

[SeniorBoy]

Good luck with your franchise. /sigh /sad

 

[Kent C]

I'm sure glad they didn't have cable news, back then.

Yeah, just spies and 'messengers'. It took a while for the news of Lexington and Concord to get to Patrick Henry in Virginia :- )

 

[nicnik]

deleting because of banned language in the title