Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Sorry, I was in a hurry. But that was exactly the point I was trying to make. This is the closest thing to an inhaler using PG we could find. And, ironically, it can be found only in an NRT product (Johnson&Johnson). I mean, when you spray a mist into your mouth, you're likely to inhale some of it.
But my point was that there are no PG containing inhalers, asthma or otherwise, in this country, so we should stop making that argument. And vapor is not just water vapor (I wish Greg Gutfeld would stop saying that every time he talks about e-cigs).
All that is not to say that PG is dangerous--it's a simple sugar/alcohol molecule that is easily recognizable and metabolized in our bodies. And it's everywhere and (from medicine to cosmetics and food) and generally considered as safe (GRAS).
Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol Toxicity: What is Propylene Glycol | ATSDR - Environmental Medicine & Environmental Health Education - CSEM
The question remains, however, how much PG/VG can be safely inhaled, day in and day out, in rather large doses, for months, years? So far, after almost 10 years of use, we haven't seen any adverse effects. But it's still early.
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Vaping. There was a CDC study trying to prove just that--but please don't make me look it up now. Basically, any smoker's death or disease is pretty much contributed to smoking. It makes ANTZ happy.
But I found something that may make you happy. Not sure how good this study is, there's so much junk out there, but if we want to argue PG's safety, I suggest we quote this:
Preclinical Safety Evaluation of Inhaled Cyclosporine in Propylene Glycol
From the Abstract:
"There were no respiratory or systemic effects of high doses of propylene glycol relative to air controls. These preclinical studies demonstrate the safety of aerosolized cyclosporine in propylene glycol and support its continued clinical investigation in patients undergoing allogeneic lung transplantation."
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Vaping. There was a CDC study trying to prove just that--but please don't make me look it up now. Basically, any smoker's death or disease are pretty much contributed to smoking. It makes ANTZ happy.
But I found something that may make you happy. Not sure how good this study is, there's so much junk out there, but if we want to argue PG's safety, I suggest we quote this:
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From the Abstract:
"There were no respiratory or systemic effects of high doses of propylene glycol relative to air controls. These preclinical studies demonstrate the safety of aerosolized cyclosporine in propylene glycol and support its continued clinical investigation in patients undergoing allogeneic lung transplantation."
I was just posting a hypothetical question. Death isn't preventable no matter what people do.
You think I'm kidding? Did you see this gem from CDC?
http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/wp...Campaign-Recruitment-Flyer-All-Conditions.pdf
We are also looking for ex-smokers (age 20–60) who: ... • For at least a year, used e-cigarettes or smokeless tobacco while continuing to smoke some cigarettes; and • Thought using e-cigarettes or smokeless tobacco to cut back on some cigarettes would be good for your health; and • Despite cutting back, you were later diagnosed with a serious health condition.
My first was a single disposable cig. size one I bought on a whim when doing the online grocery shopping - thought it could be good for when I was going for my BP check with the doctor, so I wouldn't get the finger wagging if they smelled cigs on me! (It worked too).
The best part is, I can go out somewhere, even for a few hours or more, and not bother about it until I'm back home most times! Makes going to a restaurant a relaxing pleasure again. Wasn't like that with cigs!
I hope you're right - from what we do know here, the restrictions won't be insurmountable, especially if we prepare by storing what we prefer to use for future use.
I just hope that once in place, the new allowed products will still appeal to smokers curiosity enough that they'll try them ...they'll still have the same levels of success if they do. (I stopped completely using the cig size batteries with cartridges, and I smoked a lot).
So true, they are creating enough hurt on/in themselves. Not to mention which of us was not previously one our self?
I think it's a waste of time going after the fda. They will never change their mind. We need to use the court systems
I have an idea. What if we convince ISIS that the FDA is coming for them?
Agree or not, like it or not, Rep. Cole is still working his bill (H.R. 2058), and that's a good thing (in my opinion).
Co-sponsor #53 just signed on.
FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 (H.R. 2058)
Please let us not forget that we are still a representative government. If we want something done, we need to be loud and persistent. Don't lose hope, STOP believing any know-it-all-behind-a-keyboard who says something does or does not have any chance of winning. Odds were low for this one from the beginning - but that doesn't mean it can't pass. The squeaky wheel gets the oil, and we need to be that wheel.
ONE more thing, and I'm going to tread lightly here, for NOW. There is one vaper out there, who hasn't shut up about how stupid pursuance of this bill is. I'm a curious person by nature, and that curiosity takes me to many places. You've made your position and opinion known, so please now put a lid on it and let the process play out. Such negativity serves us NO purpose at this juncture, and we're all doing whatever we can to win this war. We can't just give up because prospects don't favor us. Under that mentality, the US would still be flying a British flag.
I saw something put out by the coalition that stuck. It said (paraphrasing, because I don't recall the exact wording):
We must all band together or else we'll all be banned together.
Co-sponsor #53 just signed on.
FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 (H.R. 2058)
Please let us not forget that we are still a representative government. If we want something done, we need to be loud and persistent. Don't lose hope, STOP believing any know-it-all-behind-a-keyboard who says something does or does not have any chance of winning. Odds were low for this one from the beginning - but that doesn't mean it can't pass. The squeaky wheel gets the oil, and we need to be that wheel.
ONE more thing, and I'm going to tread lightly here, for NOW. There is one vaper out there, who hasn't shut up about how stupid pursuance of this bill is. I'm a curious person by nature, and that curiosity takes me to many places. You've made your position and opinion known, so please now put a lid on it and let the process play out. Such negativity serves us NO purpose at this juncture, and we're all doing whatever we can to win this war. We can't just give up because prospects don't favor us. Under that mentality, the US would still be flying a British flag.
I saw something put out by the coalition that stuck. It said (paraphrasing, because I don't recall the exact wording):
We must all band together or else we'll all be banned together.
Totally agree with your point ...can't resist a little light-hearted banter here though ....if you were, perhaps you'd be looking at our upcoming regulations
One for all, all for one!
Totally agree with your point ...can't resist a little light-hearted banter here though ....if you were, perhaps you'd be looking at our upcoming regulations
One for all, all for one!
LOL! Don't think that thought didn't cross my mind.
And thanks for putting a levity lid on ME. I need that sometimes (but I guess that's obvious by now).
Screw it. Let's all dance.
Just Google propylene glycol and lung transplant.
They won't change unless they are told to change, or told that they no longer have the authority. That can come from the courts, or from congress. We should be pursuing both.
It was just too funny for me to pass up ...and it made you smile too, so that's got to be good anyway!LOL! Don't think that thought didn't cross my mind.
Absolutely! ...Laugh in the face of adversity, even if it does make you weep inside! If nothing else, it'll make us feel better:And thanks for putting a levity lid on ME. I need that sometimes (but I guess that's obvious by now).
Screw it. Let's all dance.
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