Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Lessifer]

COVA? Never heard that name. I just know that they announced their new coalition.

CASAA: CASAA has joined a coalition to pursue strategies regarding FDA Deeming regulations

And now we have SEVIA, the Shenzhen Electronic Vaporizer Industry Assoc. USA, representing Aspire, innokin, Kanger and smok, led by Dimitri and Phil...

http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/12880

Sorry if it's been posted before--the thread is getting awfully long.

You know, I have no idea where I got COVA but I swear I didn't make it up. May have just been a comment by someone on one of the posts. I really hate using FB to try to get any kind of information. Have to scroll through posts then click on comments, then expand replies to each comment.

Forums are so much better organized for actual dialogue and information retrieval.

 

[Lessifer]

Bless your heart! 24/7 service! You're the best, Les!

Like the old man that I'm becoming, I woke up and had to, um, use the facilities.

It's actually my body fighting my recent change in schedule. 30+ years of being a night owl, and I'm trying to get my kid ready to start school at 8am.

 

[Katya]

Like the old man that I'm becoming, I woke up and had to, um, use the facilities.

It's actually my body fighting my recent change in schedule. 30+ years of being a night owl, and I'm trying to get my kid ready to start school at 8am.

Go back to bed, Les! And thanks again!

It's seriously past my bedtime as well.. Good night and good morning, my friends.

 

[bobwho77]

Nice, but people prefer a positive message. When I hear Sarah McLaughlin come on tv, I change the channel.

We need a catchy positive message, something easy and short, old ladies, young parents, bearded men, soccer moms. Vapers are a diverse crowd, and everyone knows someone who has or could be helped by vaping.

Fade in to a mother, and kids, riding bicycles in a park.
Mother stops in front of the camera...
"When I was still smoking cigarettes, I couldn't keep up with them. Since I quit smoking, with the help of a personal vaporizer, THEY have trouble keeping up with ME.
Thanks to vaping, I can breathe again"...
Fade out...

 

[Talyon]

PBusardo had announced Joyetech has entered the battle, and have hired a lawyer firm, sorry no link and i need to learn again how to post a pic, lol.

News is on http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/

 

[Stephuhnator]

PBusardo had announced Joyetech has entered the battle, and have hired a lawyer firm, sorry no link and i need to learn again how to post a pic, lol.

News is on http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/

Here ya go

 

[bobwho77]

You cannot begin to know how much I love this..



No, I have to disagree with you on this. The reason the CDC and California are successful is because of their scare messages. People pay attention to the horror of things not so much the goody-goody things.

Just look at what makes money in the box office and on tv these days! Ugh!

I do say we need BOTH though. The positive and the not so positive.

I think Wired's suggestion is brilliant. The ANTZ are using kids against us. Time to turn the tables......

Fade in...
Grandfather, and a young boy fishing in a small boat
Zoom to a close up of the grandfather...
"I was a smoker for a long time. My doctor told me that I was showing signs of COPD, and I needed to quit. I tried everything patches, pills, even hypnosis... Nothing worked.
A good friend let me try his personal vaporizer. I bought one of my own a couple of weeks later, and I haven't had a cigarette since. That was a couple of years ago. I still use one, but I've cut down on the nicotine, too.
At my last check up, my doctor told me that my breathing sounds like I was a normal non-smoker.
Vaping saved my life. It looks like me, and Joey will be going on a lot more fishing trips...
Fade out...

How many stories are on the CASAA testimonials page?
Literally thousands of them could be turned into 30-60 second PSAs like this.
Anybody with some production skills want to take a run at it?

 

[Buckeyevapen]

Fade in...
Grandfather, and a young boy fishing in a small boat
Zoom to a close up of the grandfather...
"I was a smoker for a long time. My doctor told me that I was showing signs of COPD, and I needed to quit. I tried everything patches, pills, even hypnosis... Nothing worked.
A good friend let me try his personal vaporizer. I bought one of my own a couple of weeks later, and I haven't had a cigarette since. That was a couple of years ago. I still use one, but I've cut down on the nicotine, too.
At my last check up, my doctor told me that my breathing sounds like I was a normal non-smoker.
Vaping saved my life. It looks like me, and Joey will be going on a lot more fishing trips...
Fade out...

How many stories are on the CASAA testimonials page?
Literally thousands of them could be turned into 30-60 second PSAs like this.
Anybody with some production skills want to take a run at it?

I think these are fantastic. The sad part is the FDA would say, "you can't say that vaping made him healthier or saved his life because only a drug can do that." Heck read the back of a vitamin it has a FDA disclaimer on it that basically says this product cannot claim to make you healthier. Why? Because there is no money to be made on the backs of healthy citizens.

Sorry. I picked up my Evic VTC mini this morning and I just got mad: why am I being made to feel like a criminal for quitting smoking! PS: 2 months no stinkes after 15 years PAD.

 

[jpasint]

I'm curious about their push for donations ... something about a lawsuit, however, no information on their blog.

One would think that with a 1500% mark up in juice price that the juice vendors would have more money than anyone.

 

[The Ocelot]

Fade in to a mother, and kids, riding bicycles in a park.
Mother stops in front of the camera...
"When I was still smoking cigarettes, I couldn't keep up with them. Since I quit smoking, with the help of a personal vaporizer, THEY have trouble keeping up with ME.
Thanks to vaping, I can breathe again"...
Fade out...

Fade in...
Grandfather, and a young boy fishing in a small boat
Zoom to a close up of the grandfather...
"I was a smoker for a long time. My doctor told me that I was showing signs of COPD, and I needed to quit. I tried everything patches, pills, even hypnosis... Nothing worked.
A good friend let me try his personal vaporizer. I bought one of my own a couple of weeks later, and I haven't had a cigarette since. That was a couple of years ago. I still use one, but I've cut down on the nicotine, too.
At my last check up, my doctor told me that my breathing sounds like I was a normal non-smoker.
Vaping saved my life. It looks like me, and Joey will be going on a lot more fishing trips...
Fade out...

How many stories are on the CASAA testimonials page?
Literally thousands of them could be turned into 30-60 second PSAs like this.
Anybody with some production skills want to take a run at it?

Bravo! You are on a roll!

Do you remember when Playboy introduced a cigalike? It was a couple of years ago and never took off. I was sad about that, since I envisioned a commercial for them.

Exterior: Evening; city street; pouring down rain

Camera slowly zooms toward the bay window of an upscale bar

Interior shot

The dimly lit bar is crowded with attractive, festive people. It appears to be filled with smoke. There are tiny, brief dots of lights in the crowd, like lit cigarette tips.

A stylist woman in a tailored suit enters. She puts her slim designer briefcase up on the bar and shakes the rain from her hair.

The male bartender smiles flirtatiously.

"Chardonnay please," she says, while pulling up a barstool and sitting down. In doing so, she bumps the back of a man next to her.

Oh, excuse me!" she exclaims as the man turns around. He is very handsome and smiles broadly when he sees her.

He glances at the briefcase, then back at her.

"Are you here on business?"

"Yes, I just got in..." she opens her purse and starts digging through it "the flight was delayed almost an hour from the storm."

She appears a bit anxious as she digs deeper in her purse.

Finally, she smiles with relief pulling out a pack of cigarettes. She takes one out and puts it to her lips just as the bartender brings her wine.

"I'm sorry," he says, "smoking isn't allowed."

Her smile fades. She glances at the window. It's raining harder. Thunder crashes.

"It's not allowed within 25 feet of the building either," the bartender says sympathetically, gesturing that it's out of his hands.

She looks up in ornate mirror behind the bar, puzzled at seeing what appears to be the reflection of smoke coming from the man next to her and his friends.

She turns toward him, just as he turns to face her.

She cocks she head looking confused at what appears to be a cigarette in his hand.

"Do you want to suck on my Playboy..." he asks mischievously

Her jaw drops and her eyes widen in shock.

"e-cigarette?" he adds with a wink

His friends all turn around smiling. They all have e-cigs and were obviously in on the joke

She looks at all the e-cigs and relief washes over her face

They all laugh together as she takes one of his e-cigs from a PCC

Playboy e-cigarettes...quitting tobacco doesn't have to suck

And scene.

 

[WillyZee]

One would think that with a 1500% mark up in juice price that the juice vendors would have more money than anyone.

I would think that with the high fees they charge their juice company members ... They would at least have someone updating their blog on the most important matter their members have ever faced.

 

[DaveP]

18650's will not go away. They are used in far too many cordless products from flashlights to power tools to laptops. Dont fret.

So true. Some cordless tool power packs are also prone to shorts if dropped into a tool box with small tools or bare wires that can get across the terminals. It's also possible with laptop batteries, but not likely. They both have recessed connectors in slots.

Vapers usually create dangerous situations when they over stress batteries at high watts with low resistance coils.

My 500 lumen tactical flashlight came with an 1800mah 18650. and a cheap single bay charger. I get hours of use out of a charge because the drain is fairly low. Sure, they don't give you the most expensive 18650 with a $25 flashlight, but it's a replaceable cell. Cheap batteries increase profits for the manufacturer.

Any lithium battery can fail in a dangerous mode if used improperly. The FDA is more about discovery of why 18650 mods start fires and experience blowups. I suppose they are also about controlling the production of devices that aren't made user proof. My 200W dual 18650 mod has a magnetic battery cover that can and has come off in a pocket. Luckily, I don't put anything in my pocket with that mod because I know it's a dumb thing to do. The guy in Kentucky had his car keys in his pocket when the battery cover came off.

The government has always enjoyed protecting us from ourselves. The truth is that there's only a handful of recorded injuries from 18650's with ecig mods and most of those were user error.

 

[DaveP]

I'm sure a nice P3 threaded high beam flashlight would make nice light from a ProVari.

Replace a tank coil with a high watt LED and you have a flashlight atty. Just don't look directly into the light through the poly window.

Seriously, it would be easy to mod a tank with an all steel cylinder with a mirror and a lens instead of a drip tip top cap. The LED connection is there. You just need to design the reflector/lens part to replace the top cap and run the wires down to the coil connection. Adjust the power to 5 watts and you are there.

 

[DaveP]

Cigs are LOTS easier than vaping, but not as enjoyable.

I've never burned my fingers or my clothes or my furniture with an ecig. That must mean that they are safer.

 

[The Ocelot]

I've never burned my fingers or my clothes or my furniture with an ecig. That must mean that they are safer.

Or accidentally dropped a hot coil in the car while on the frwy.

 

[DPLongo22]

With continued apologies for my recent "drop & run" approach here, more information (if not already known) related to which efforts to support.

Fiscal Year 2017 Appropriations: Poor Track Record, Poor Outlook | Citizens Against Government Waste

I continue to maintain support of both current pieces of legislation, even though some very well known people are advising otherwise. I remain a fan of standalone bills, and would love it if Rep. Mia Love's efforts bore fruit somewhere down the line. It forces decisions on a specific issue, without regard to embedded pork. It shines a light on where people stand on an issue, and the value of that cannot be overstated (IMO).

And like it or not, the amendment related to us is exactly that (pork). While not technically calling for funds, it's unrelated to the purpose of the appropriations bill, and was likely granted support in exchange for something else (most likely support of the aforementioned appropriations bill itself).

Fight all the battles, and vote wisely.

 

[samagon]

None of those power tools or laptops have consumer replaceable individual cells though.

Flashlights are about it for consumer replaceable cells.
And those tend to use lower CDR / Higher MAH cells than is used in vaping.
Of course there are likely some rad flashlights out there which will burn the paint off your truck if shined on it.

But there must be other uses. I mean, were 18350 and 18490 batteries invented just for vaping?

Whether there are other uses or not, you can buy the exact Samsung batteries on amazon for half the price you would get them at the vape shop.
4 for $20, instead of 1 for $15 or 'special price' 2 for $20.

Same with LG and Sony batteries.

They don't put them up there just for us vapers.

 

[Ed Sause]

Wow, I finally made it to the current post.
There are a lot of really great ideas here. What I think we need is a non-profit ORG created by
this membership, to handle the 30 - 60 second ads. That will negate the FDA rules. I dont have the ability to sponsor an ORG but would donate to it.

 

[halonut]

Welcome to the Wild West!

From a bunch of articles I won't link to:

"I think it's safe to say that the FDA has bent over backward to try and help as many of those companies who are willing to make an effort and recognize that they cannot operate in the wild, wild west any longer," said Erika Seward, a spokeswoman for the American Lung Association.

(No Erika, we're being bent over backwards.)

Ellen Hahn, a professor at the University of Kentucky College of Nursing and co-chair of the UK Tobacco-free Task Force, said the new rule is a good first step toward controlling e-cigarettes. “From a health perspective, to reduce the social acceptance of them is good because frankly, it’s the wild, wild West out there,” she says. “Vape stores are everywhere.”

Until now, e-cigarettes — battery-operated inhalers that contain nicotine, the powerfully addictive substance in cigarettes — have been marketed, as an FDA official noted Thursday, in a "wild, wild West" environment where anything goes.

Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, said the new rule will address the "the wild, wild west" that is the current e-cigarette market, and the agency billed today's announcement as "a milestone in consumer protection."

STANTON GLANTZ: The marketing that you're seeing in these cigarettes, it's the Wild West. It's like cigarette marketing in the '50s.

It is literally the Wild West when it comes to e-cigarettes,” Sward said. “Anything goes and there’s no sheriff in town.”

"It’s the Wild West out there when it comes to e-cigarette advertising," said Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which released the data. "It's no coincidence that as the advertising has skyrocketed, the use of e-cigarettes has skyrocketed."

MITCH ZELLER: It’s the Wild, Wild West. It’s buyer beware.

For now, the nation’s estimated 20 million e-cigarette users may not see big changes. Companies have two years to submit their information to the FDA and another year while the agency reviews it. Government officials said this process is critical to taming the “wild west” marketplace for the products.

“There’s this whole ‘Wild West’ of social media platforms—Facebook, Twitter and Instagram—and the FDA has no way to track what’s happening in those platforms,” says Jidong Huang, the study’s head researcher, of how vape companies are taking advantage of the lack of regulations.

The 'wild west' of e-cigarettes, where nothing was regulated and the scientific opinion was inconclusive at best, has come to an abrupt end...

"Right now, it's sort of like the Wild West, as has been often said about e-cigarette regulation in the U.S.," he added. "There really isn't any right now.

Overall, though, this new era is welcome. The vaping industry has for too long been “the wild, wild West,” as the director of the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products succinctly put it Thursday. It’s high time the sheriff arrived.

Isn't the Wild West (a.k.a Old West, a.k.a. American Frontier) an important part of our national identity? I know the Marlboro Man is dead, but Western history and heritage isn't. As a Westerner, I resent the implication that my culture is something to be reined in. What is their goal? To replace it with the "Tame East?"

speaking of the "Wild, Wild, West" (that was a great show!)

it's an 18650...go ahead try to knock it off my shoulder.

 

[LittleBird]

With continued apologies for my recent "drop & run" approach...
Fiscal Year 2017 Appropriations: Poor Track Record, Poor Outlook | Citizens Against Government Waste

Fight all the battles, and vote wisely.

Then I can only hope that Mr. McConnell and Speaker Ryan are men of their word. In this election year, given the party's control over both chambers, it may be more expedient to adopt the spending bills than not.