Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[The Ocelot]

Mike, I posted what I thought based on my experiences only. NO body knows my body better than me, and I noted the change through how my own body reacted to that change in cigarettes. At the time, I tried to find studies to find out what else they had done, but at that time I was still working, etc....and had no extra time to devote much effort to it.
Posting this article ONLY to show just how underhanded BT is and that they don't always disclose their activities.
The tobacco industry is not happy with the way Australia got its residents to quit smoking

One still has to wonder how much availability of E-cigarettes and vaping products in general has effected the overall Drop in Active smokers in these Plain Packaging countries

and Gross..........those packages are all but Plain

I can't post the direct link due to language, but John Oliver did a great show about Big tobacco, including their attempts to sue countries to get them to stop "plain" packaging. Remarkably, there is a quick shot (I mean blink and you'll miss it) of an ecig in a package, but no one looks interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

 

[The Ocelot]

It's a Lucky Jeans T-shirt, one of the few I own that doesn't have cartoon characters or super heroes on it. Wouldn't want to be seen as "targeting minors."

Solid colors are less distracting. If you don't have any, there must be a thrift store near you.

 

[Bronze]

Solid colors are less distracting. If you don't have any, there must be a thrift store near you.

You just miss his Britney Spears poster.

 

[Lessifer]

Solid colors are less distracting. If you don't have any, there must be a thrift store near you.

I do actually own clothes that would be more presentable, and could probably find a better spot to record. Did you have some requests for topics? I'm not really interested in becoming a personality, but I recognize the need for videos that are Safe For Work, etc.

 

[The Ocelot]

I don't do well with most reviewers. That said, he read a letter from CASAA that was worth listening to.

Ummm...what's he going to review? Nicotine gum vs. patches? I meant he could keep people in the loop about what's going on with the FDA. There's no need to make them often, just when there is something verifiable or maybe a rundown of little know articles and information - like the letter from Homeland Security.

 

[The Ocelot]

You just miss his Britney Spears poster.

He could have a poster of Cynthia Cabrera.

 

[skoony]

I can't post the direct link due to language, but John Oliver did a great show about Big Tobacco, including their attempts to sue countries to get them to stop "plain" packaging. Remarkably, there is a quick shot (I mean blink and you'll miss it) of an ecig in a package, but no one looks interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

Would this be because manufacturers of other products thought to cause disease are not required to label Their products in this manner?
Regards
Mike

 

[Bronze]

Ummm...what's he going to review? Nicotine gum vs. patches? I meant he could keep people in the loop about what's going on with the FDA. There's no need to make them often, just when there is something verifiable or maybe a rundown of little know articles and information - like the letter from Homeland Security.

Ummmm, couldn't care less what he reviews. Couldn't care less about Grimm. But the CASAA letter was worthy because I happen to see many ready to abandon HR2058. That would be a mistake! A big mistake! The CASAA letter explains why. Sorry if you don't find it worthy but I suspect others will.

 

[The Ocelot]

I do actually own clothes that would be more presentable, and could probably find a better spot to record. Did you have some requests for topics? I'm not really interested in becoming a personality, but I recognize the need for videos that are Safe For Work, etc.

Perhaps explaining how we got to where we are: many people don't know why February 15, 2007 is the predicate date. Then something... Then a summary of the Bootleggers, Baptists, and E-Cigarettes by Bruce Yandle, Roger E. Meiners, Jonathan H. Adler, Andrew P. Morriss :: SSRN paper I posted awhile back. Then how the FDA is trying to get User Fees (explain user fees) from OTC drug manufacturers because they only have 18 employees to review all OTC monographs submitted - pointing out how OTC products are allowed to stay on the market pending review, while ecigs PMTAs will automatically be denied if the FDA fails to review them within a fixed time frame.

Those are just examples - NOT all to be covered in the same video.

 

[The Ocelot]

Would this be because manufacturers of other products thought to cause disease are not required to label Their products in this manner?
Regards
Mike

It had something to do with them not being able to use their logo on their products. I'm going to have to watch the video again.

EDIT: It was lowering the value of their products and something about intellectual property. Their lawyers are very good at finding loopholes.

 

[The Ocelot]

Ummmm, couldn't care less what he reviews. Couldn't care less about Grimm. But the CASAA letter was worthy because I happen to see many ready to abandon HR2058. That would be a mistake! A big mistake! The CASAA letter explains why. Sorry if you don't find it worthy but I suspect others will.

Oh no, I did! I was just thinking of other topics as well.

 

[Bronze]

Oh no, I did! I was just thinking of other topics as well.

That's why I cited the time brackets. I was trying to spare you (and others) from having to wade through his inconsequential blather and gaudy t-shirt.

 

[The Ocelot]

That's why I cited the time brackets. I was trying to spare you (and others) from having to wade through his inconsequential blather and gaudy t-shirt.

Que heavy metal music Yo Vapers!

 

[Lessifer]

It had something to do with them not being able to use their logo on their products. I'm going to have to watch the video again.

EDIT: It was lowering the value of their products and something about intellectual property. Their lawyers are very good at finding loopholes.

I'm actually against plain packaging laws, and graphic imagery requirements. They serve no real purpose other than demonizing smoking even more, and making smokers feel worse. There's as little science behind their effectiveness as there is behind their arguments against vaping.

 

[Bronze]

Que heavy metal music Yo Vapers!

LOL. And the "Yo Vapers" cuts in just when I'm starting to get into the jam.

 

[Bronze]

I'm actually against plain packaging laws, and graphic imagery requirements. They serve no real purpose other than demonizing smoking even more, and making smokers feel worse. There's as little science behind their effectiveness as there is behind their arguments against vaping.

The graphic imagery graphics are over the top. What's next, A picture of an exploded heart on our t-bone steak wrapper?

 

[The Ocelot]

I'm actually against plain packaging laws, and graphic imagery requirements. They serve no real purpose other than demonizing smoking even more, and making smokers feel worse. There's as little science behind their effectiveness as there is behind their arguments against vaping.

About as effective as the Surgeon General's warning.

 

[Pamawoman]

This is a response I got on FB about one of my posts.
"Vapor products are killing children, especially under 2 years of age."
Just one sentence. I blasted back with 10. LOL. People are such sheep. She is an exsmoker. I kind of expect that from the these types.

 

[YoursTruli]

This is a response I got on FB about one of my posts.
"Vapor products are killing children, especially under 2 years of age."
Just one sentence. I blasted back with 10. LOL. People are such sheep. She is an exsmoker. I kind of expect that from the these types.

not sure why you would expect it from an ex-smoker as most of us here are ex-smokers personally I find it comes from a source of ignorance or "the lie" someone latches on to because it supports their strong anti-smoking stance more than anything else.

 

[The Ocelot]

This is a response I got on FB about one of my posts.
"Vapor products are killing children, especially under 2 years of age."
Just one sentence. I blasted back with 10. LOL. People are such sheep. She is an exsmoker. I kind of expect that from the these types.

It's that kind of attitude that infuriates me. Since when did she become more intelligent than you are? What about all of the products currently in her home that kill children?

Most Common Substances Implicated in Poison Exposures?
Cosmetics and personal care products lead the list of the most common substances implicated in pediatric exposures (children younger than 6 years, NPDS, 2014). Cleaning substances and pain medications follow. These exposures are nearly always unintentional.