Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Bronze]

I received the same letter posted previously by a fellow Tar Heel....

Dear....


Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts about H.R. 2058, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015. I appreciate hearing from you.


As you know, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently asserted authority to regulate electronic nicotine delivery systems, including e-cigarettes and vaporizer pens, as "tobacco" products. This regulation goes into effect on August 8, 2016.

In another bizarre example of the Obama administration creating novel definitions to words with otherwise plain meaning, the FDA has decided to regulate electronic cigarettes and vaporizer pens as tobacco products even though they do not contain tobacco. These regulations will apply to all electronic nicotine delivery systems released into the market after February 15, 2007. Since the majority of these products did not exist prior to this date, nearly all of these products will be affected by the new regulation.

On April 28, 2015, Representative Tom Cole (R-OK) introduced H.R. 2058. If enacted, H.R. 2058 would prevent FDA from banning tobacco products that have been introduced to the market after 2007.

I share your concern about this regulatory overreach and agree that these products should not be subject to tobacco product regulations, since they are, in fact, products that contain exactly no tobacco. The out-of-control Obama administration regulatory regime has hurt our economy, as evidenced by the unacceptable economic stagnation we have been experiencing for far too long. If H.R. 2058 comes before the Senate, I will support it.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Please do not hesitate to get in touch with me again about other important issues.



Sincerely,

Thom Tillis
U.S. Senator

 

[Kent C]

I received the same letter posted previously by a fellow Tar Heel....

Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

 

[The Ocelot]

You might be Right.

But since Moving the GF Date to today Diametrically changes a Regulated e-Cigarette market, I see a Fundamental question that BT would be asking themselves...

If the GF date was today, how would it diametrically change the market? Vuse and Blu could be sold as well as the megawatt box mod that came out two weeks ago. While new products won't be produced (in the US anyway), there is still a plethora of items on the market. BT has far more money than any ecig manufacturers and I can see them buying a few currently available open system components, an existing juice company and advertising the hell out of them. More people have tried a Blu than anything made by Kanger.

 

[Bronze]

Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

That would be it. I actually raised two pieces of legislation in my letter to Senator Tillis. HR2058 and Cole-Bishop.

 

[crxess]

Here is the Thing though.

BT doesn't "Need" to Squash the e-Cigarette Market. All they have to do is Sit Back and let the FDA do it for them.

And what's left in 2 Years? A System that Only Allows people like BT to afford to bring Products into a Regulated Market.

And PMTA Costs seem a whole Hell of a lot Cheaper than trying to do the Microsoft thing where you systematically buy out all your Competition.

I have to accept the Fact - WE ARE FIGHTERS - and the realization that Big Tobacco and every other opposing party is Well aware - WE WILL NOT LET THIS DIE - regardless of irrational Regulation or Opposing Propaganda campaigns.
2 Years or 10 Years down the Road there will still be Reason for Informed People to Battle an injustice and Get in the FACE of Big Tobacco.

Of course they Do NOT NEED another Organized Group against them. Why Poor more Gas on a Fire that can only lead to burning you?

Subtlety in itself has its Rewards. Profit where ever it comes from is still Profit.

I, for one, will take what ever Dollars support our cause regardless of their beginnings.
I have a washing machine and would be glad to clean dirty money
Why not, government does it

 

[nicnik]

Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

Same supportiveness in the response, and a good sign in that it is a bit revised. I take that as a sign of sincerity on the issue.

 

[zoiDman]

If the GF date was today, how would it diametrically change the market? Vuse and Blu could be sold as well as the megawatt box mod that came out two weeks ago. While new products won't be produced (in the US anyway), there is still a plethora of items on the market. BT has far more money than any ecig manufacturers and I can see them buying a few currently available open system components, an existing juice company and advertising the hell out of them. More people have tried a Blu than anything made by Kanger.

Sure, Blu and Vuse would be sold. But why would BT want consumer to have Other/Better choices after they find that by Todays standards, Blu and Vuse are pretty poor e-Cigarettes.

When there are No Better Options, something like a Blu is Great. I Bought on when I first switched. Was Very Happy with it. But about 2 Weeks later I found that there were Much Better Options. And Ditched the Blu like yesterday's Meat Loaf.

BT doesn't want you to have Many Choices or Options.

 

[nicnik]

Not all focus should be on BT. BP shouldn't be left off the hook.

 

[crxess]

BT doesn't want you to have Many Choices or Options.

Entering the E-liquid market alone could net them Billions world wide ,
Just purchase a Few Top Sellers and Up Production

Changing Predicate Date does make sense

 

[The Ocelot]

I received the same letter posted previously by a fellow Tar Heel....

Dear....


Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts about H.R. 2058, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015. I appreciate hearing from you.


As you know, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently asserted authority to regulate electronic nicotine delivery systems, including e-cigarettes and vaporizer pens, as "tobacco" products. This regulation goes into effect on August 8, 2016.

In another bizarre example of the Obama administration creating novel definitions to words with otherwise plain meaning, the FDA has decided to regulate electronic cigarettes and vaporizer pens as tobacco products even though they do not contain tobacco. These regulations will apply to all electronic nicotine delivery systems released into the market after February 15, 2007. Since the majority of these products did not exist prior to this date, nearly all of these products will be affected by the new regulation.

On April 28, 2015, Representative Tom Cole (R-OK) introduced H.R. 2058. If enacted, H.R. 2058 would prevent FDA from banning tobacco products that have been introduced to the market after 2007.

I share your concern about this regulatory overreach and agree that these products should not be subject to tobacco product regulations, since they are, in fact, products that contain exactly no tobacco. The out-of-control Obama administration regulatory regime has hurt our economy, as evidenced by the unacceptable economic stagnation we have been experiencing for far too long. If H.R. 2058 comes before the Senate, I will support it.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Please do not hesitate to get in touch with me again about other important issues.

Sincerely,

Thom Tillis
U.S. Senator

Not exactly the same. It appears someone proofread Skippy the intern's first version, that was posted earlier in the thread. I liked his better:

"I understand your concerns with the Federal Drug Administration's regulation of electronic cigarettes and agree that e-cigarettes should not be subject to tobacco product regulations, since they are, in fact, products that contain exactly no tobacco."

 

[Bronze]

Not exactly the same. It appears someone proofread Skippy the intern's first version, that was post earlier in the thread. I liked his better:

"I understand your concerns with the Federal Drug Administration's regulation of electronic cigarettes and agree that e-cigarettes should not be subject to tobacco product regulations, since they are, in fact, products that contain exactly no tobacco."

I wonder what Skippy gets paid.

 

[Steamix]

Of course.

We've all had a look at the deeming regs. And we're all pretty much agreed that they're custom tailored to BT's needs. Some media articles didn't call it the Big Tobacco Protection Act for nuthin .

FDA is just their hired muscle. Taking the heat while BT leans back and watches the ensuing fray. Was clear that a rag like these regs won't pass without getting challenged. While the FDA and their opponents are slugging it out, they will definitely weaken each other, regardless of the outcome. Which suits BT just fine. So they got slammed with having to put scary pics on their packs ? Woohoo. Let's shed some crocodile tears and discreetly sponsor some cigarette case makers so that our valued but doomed customers won't have to look at their innards.

FDA ? Too spineless to stand up to it. Or too hooked on the morsels flung off their masters table to care.

 

[The Ocelot]

I wonder what Skippy gets paid.

No idea, but I bet he's attended college.

I would have liked it even more if he had written, "I understand your concerns with the Federal Drug Administration's regulation of electronic cigarettes and totally agree that e-cigarettes..."

 

[Bronze]

Of course.

We've all had a look at the deeming regs. And we're all pretty much agreed that they're custom tailored to BT's needs. Some media articles didn't call it the Big Tobacco Protection Act for nuthin .

FDA is just their hired muscle. Taking the heat while BT leans back and watches the ensuing fray. Was clear that a rag like these regs won't pass without getting challenged. While the FDA and their opponents are slugging it out, they will definitely weaken each other, regardless of the outcome. Which suits BT just fine. So they got slammed with having to put scary pics on their packs ? Woohoo. Let's shed some crocodile tears and discreetly sponsor some cigarette case makers so that our valued but doomed customers won't have to look at their innards.

FDA ? Too spineless to stand up to it. Or too hooked on the morsels flung off their masters table to care.

When I mentioned BT essentially wrote the Deeming regs I was accused of posting nonsense.

 

[zoiDman]

Entering the E-liquid market alone could net them Billions world wide ,
Just purchase a Few Top Sellers and Up Production

Changing Predicate Date does make sense

I just Don't Think you are looking down the road Far Enough.

How Many of these "Top Sellers" are going to be in Business 2 Years from Today if the GF Date Isn't Changed?

 

[Woofer]

Has it never occurred to the government that they can't legislate curiosity out of teens?

Perhaps they could deem teens are adults, problem solved.

Moving teens to a different planet is not feasible at this time.

 

[Bronze]

No idea, but I bet he's attended college.

I would have like it even more if he had written, "I understand your concerns with the Federal Drug Administration's regulation of electronic cigarettes and totally agree that e-cigarettes..."

When one thinks about it, there is no way possible that a politician could possibly know the content of every regulation that comes down the turnpike. It's simply not humanly possible when there are literally tens of thousands of regs introduced every year. Google new regulations and you can find there were 75,000 pages of new regs in 2014 alone....40,000 new laws. The real number is up for debate but the point remains there are far more regulations than what our pols can keep up with. So they resort to the party line when replying to those who voice their opinions about a particular regulation. And while plenty of exceptions can be found, the GOP is generally for less regulations and the Democrats are generally for more regulations. So when a pol replies to us, I doubt they even know what the regulation is or that it even exists. They just take their chances by toeing the party line until (and if) they need to know.

 

[The Ocelot]

When one thinks about it, there is no way possible that a politician could possibly know the content of every regulation that comes down the turnpike. It's simply not humanly possible when there are literally tens of thousands of regs introduced every year. Google new regulations and you can find there were 75,000 pages of new regs in 2014 alone....40,000 new laws. The real number is up for debate but the point remains there are far more regulations than what our pols can keep up with. So they resort to the party line when replying to those who voice their opinions about a particular regulation. And while plenty of exceptions can be found, the GOP is generally for less regulations and the Democrats are generally for more regulations. So when a pol replies to us, I doubt they even know what the regulation is or that it even exists. They just take their chances by toeing the party line until (and if) they need to know.

Of course that's true, but at least they could hire someone capable of writing a professional letter.

 

[rosesense]

Thanks all, I have already read what they say about SE and predicate stuff. I have been around for awhile and I don't remember much of anything 'marketed' when I started. Who keeps sales records and 'proof' of the product 10 years later? Not many businesses I know of keep 'bills of lading' beyond 7 years. I also don't remember any ads prior to 2007, not even cigalikes. I don't have any experience with the early producers so maybe I am way off base.

 

[Bronze]

Of course that's true, but at least they could hire someone capable of writing a professional letter.

Agree. I guess the point I was trying to make is when a pol cannot keep up with all the regs we write then to me it's an indication that GOVERNMENT IS TOO BIG!!!