Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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That's a no brainer. You purchase another freezer just for vape supplies. :D

Doesn't have to be a full sized unit. There are tons of smaller freezers that would work perfectly for the storage of nicotine.

For example: Whynter 2 cu. ft. 62 Qt. Dual Zone Portable Freezer in Gray-FM-62DZ - The Home Depot

:thumb: That's a nice one. "standard household 110-Volt outlet or a 12-Volt power source, like an automotive battery" Doesn't appear to after a OEM lock, though - easily added on :D
 

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(1) The sending of Unsolicited Bulk Email ("UBE") is banned by all Internet service providers worldwide.

(2) Spamhaus's anti-spam blocklist, the SBL, used by more than 1 Billion Internet users, is based on the internationally-accepted definition of Spam as "Unsolicited Bulk Email". Therefore anyone sending UBE on the Internet, regardless of whether the content is commercial or not, illegal or not, is a sender of spam - and thus a spammer. All senders of UBE need to be fully aware that (A) they are breaking their ISP's Terms of Business contracts and they will lose their Internet accounts and access if they send UBE and (B) they will be placed on the Spamhaus Block List (SBL) if they send UBE.

The Spamhaus Project - The Definition of Spam

That's all Kool & The Gang, but I could show you dozens of "spam" messages in my box and/or my filter, from just today, for companies I've never done business with, and who appear to be in no fear of repercussions of any sort.

Thinking spam can be banned is like the FDA thinking they can regulate cotton balls...oh...wait...

Not only would SFATA sending emails (or providing blasts to their retailer network, pick your poison) be common practice, NOT doing it would make them the lone advocacy group in the world not doing it.
 

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Has this been discussed? I'm not caught up here...
White House scrapped FDA plan to restrict flavored e-cigarettes

I'm also at work and can't research any of it...:(
Perhaps the only tiny ray of light so far? Some quotes though, from the article...

""We are deeply troubled that these important safeguards were stripped in this way when FDA repeatedly demonstrated that the science shows flavored products appeal to youth and young adults," Harold Wimmer, president of the American Lung Association, said in a statement."

Yea, I guess the data did suggest young adults that vape largely use flavored eLiquids. When is the last time you saw UNflavored eLiquid at your local vape store? All the science shows is that when people walk into a vape shop they pick a juice that is sold there?????

"Proponents of e-cigarettes say the products can help people quit smoking and that flavors are a crucial element of what makes them attractive to adults seeking to quit. The FDA said in its original rule that evidence supporting such claims "is thus far largely anecdotal.""

If I read that "anecdotal" thing one more time I think I'll scream. In addition to a recent national poll claiming over 8 million US former smoking vapers, and numerous other international polls saying similar, the CDC itself acknowledged in 2014 that "nearly one in four recent former cigarette smokers (22.0%) currently used e-cigarettes, ". This is just so 1984, and the lies are in plain sight. All airbrushed out by the gov't lapdog "free press".

Products - Data Briefs - Number 217 - October 2015
 
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That's all Kool & The Gang, but I could show you dozens of "spam" messages in my box and/or my filter, from just today, for companies I've never done business with, and who appear to be in no fear of repercussions of any sort.

Thinking spam can be banned is like the FDA thinking they can regulate cotton balls...oh...wait...

Not only would SFATA sending emails (or providing blasts to their retailer network, pick your poison) be common practice, NOT doing it would make them the lone advocacy group in the world not doing it.

This is not cotton balls.

Spam is generally sent from compromised machines. The ISP, upon detection, shuts down either the machine's outside internet access, or it turns off the offending machine's ability to send through the ISPs email server. Email traffic on the ISPs network is blocked unless it routes through their mail systems for this very reason. Spammers, at that point move on to another compromised machine, leaving the systems admin to deal with the mess. Their domain/IP will likely also be added to several lists, the SBL being one of them, to help other email servers in outright rejection of their future emails.

SFATA/CASAA being legitimate organizations, will a) lose all legitimacy if they send spam and b) be summarily blocked by their ISPs. The solution to this, as we agreed before, was for SFATA to craft the email and send it out to the vendors to then send to their customers, as there's a relationship there.
 

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All nicotine now on the market is derived from tobacco, and that will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future. Anything derived from tobacco is defined as a tobacco product by federal law.

And how would that differ from Nicoderm / Nicorette, they are all derived from the same pure form liquid, if vaping is not an NRT nor cessation, it sure as hell is nowhere near the same composition as whole leaf tobacco products for the sole intent of burning.
 

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Perhaps the only tiny ray of light so far? Some quotes thoughbn, from the article, from

""We are deeply troubled that these important safeguards were stripped in this way when FDA repeatedly demonstrated that the science shows flavored products appeal to youth and young adults," Harold Wimmer, president of the American Lung Association, said in a statement."

Yea, I guess the data did suggest young adults that vape largely use flavored eLiquids. When is the last time you saw UNflavored eLiquid at your local vape store? All the science shows is that when people walk into a vape shop they pick a juice that is sold there?????

"Proponents of e-cigarettes say the products can help people quit smoking and that flavors are a crucial element of what makes them attractive to adults seeking to quit. The FDA said in its original rule that evidence supporting such claims "is thus far largely anecdotal.""

If I read that "anecdotal" thing one more time I think I'll scream. In addition to a recent national poll claiming over 8 million US former smoking vapers, and numerous other international polls saying similar, the CDC itself acknowledged in 2014 that "nearly one in four recent former cigarette smokers (22.0%) currently used e-cigarettes, ". This is just so 1984, and the lies are in plain sight. All airbrushed out by the gov't lapdog "free press".

Products - Data Briefs - Number 217 - October 2015
Well, I kind of hoped it was something (somewhat) important, at least a small victory.
Hoping that at least someone might show some common sense in all this...
Not sure if anyone else bothered to click the link though. :unsure:
 

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And how would that differ from Nicoderm / Nicorette, they are all derived from the same pure form liquid, if vaping is not an NRT nor cessation, it sure as hell is nowhere near the same composition as whole leaf tobacco products for the sole intent of burning.
I need to correct what I said. FDA approved drug and pharmaceutical products are exempted. Also, there may be one company selling a very expensive cigalike which contains synthetic nicotine.
 

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And how would that differ from Nicoderm / Nicorette, they are all derived from the same pure form liquid, if vaping is not an NRT nor cessation, it sure as hell is nowhere near the same composition as whole leaf tobacco products for the sole intent of burning.

It doesn't differ, other than the FDA was told they cannot regulate e-cigs as drug / cessation devices per the 2010 judicial ruling.
 

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I need to correct what I said. FDA approved drug and pharmaceutical products are exempted. Also, there may be one company selling a very expensive cigalike which contains synthetic nicotine.

There's also the NKRT line using this: Next Generation Labs
 

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Can you copy/paste a single sentence in that 499 pages implying that OPEN SYSTEM devices might be approved? I have not seen it yet.

There is very clear language implying open systems cannot meet the threshold (requiring evidence that any/all configurations are safe, and etc). The only implication I've seen is that a handful of BT cigalikes will get approval.

I understand the need to hope; that is fundamental to the human condition. But there is no evidence to support that hope. Correct me with the relevant passage if I'm wrong...
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We are in agreement. I was stating with sarcasm how the reg is clearly written to eliminate open systems while still being able to "say" that they provided a path (PMTA) for approval. You are absolutely correct their is no passage which states this as anything more than a possibility which they will most certainly say "no" to. But yes I still hold out hope.
 

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Well, I kind of hoped it was something (somewhat) important, at least a small victory.
Hoping that at least someone might show some common sense in all this...
Not sure if anyone else bothered to click the link though. :unsure:
I read it. Heavily slanted "reporting" with save-the-cheeeldrun talking points from the usual BP funded ANTZ.
 

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Well, I kind of hoped it was something (somewhat) important, at least a small victory.
Hoping that at least someone might show some common sense in all this...
Not sure if anyone else bothered to click the link though. :unsure:

I did, and also commented - my original comment was:

Formaldehyde was only detected in e-cigarettes that were put into a setting during the testing that no user would tolerate or continue usage of the device. Formaldehyde or embalming fluid isn't IN the liquid, it was produced when they put the e-cig in a high voltage and let the atomizer's wicking material dry out. Since then, they've redone the testing and found that they were indeed wrong. Repeating the same bad study, incorrectly I might add, again and again doesn't make it true.

Vaping Emits Less Formaldehyde than Previously Thought

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/stor...=1&s=21634d4b88caf5a232ad38089dee81890e6df5a9

E-liquids have a most 4 chemicals, minus whatever food flavoring. Nicotine, Vegetable Glycerine, Propylene Glycol, Water. All of those minus the nicotine, incidentally, are found in food products, inhalers, lotions, pet foods, fog machines...

But they kept deleting it. You can guess who left the second comment calling them out on it, if that hasn't also been deleted.
 

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Well, I kind of hoped it was something (somewhat) important, at least a small victory.
Hoping that at least someone might show some common sense in all this...
Not sure if anyone else bothered to click the link though. :unsure:
The White House threw us a bone that is meaningless in the long run. The strategy: load the initial regs with a few selected throwaways. But leave in place the important stuff that kills the open system vape industry....

"As submitted by the FDA to the White House Office of Management and Budget, the rule gave a grace period for flavored products of only 90 days after the rule became effective."
 

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I did, and also commented - my original comment was:



But they kept deleting it. You can guess who left the second comment calling them out on it, if that hasn't also been deleted.
it is still there :D
 

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This....

really got my attention
Yes, THAT. :)
I looked through the press releases at the website for the White House. I didn't see anything, but that doesn't mean it's not there, just hard for me to do at work.
 
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mattiem

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The White House threw us a bone that is meaningless in the long run. The strategy: load the initial regs with a few selected throwaways. But leave in place the important stuff that kills the open system vape industry....

"As submitted by the FDA to the White House Office of Management and Budget, the rule gave a grace period for flavored products of only 90 days after the rule became effective."
I am sorry if this sounds rude but can we not celebrate one small victory :(
 

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The White House threw us a bone that is meaningless in the long run. The strategy: load the initial regs with a few selected throwaways. But leave in place the important stuff that kills the open system vape industry....

"As submitted by the FDA to the White House Office of Management and Budget, the rule gave a grace period for flavored products of only 90 days after the rule became effective."
Oh. :(
 

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