Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Bronze]

I Can't quote the Thread below because it is Old and Closed. But you can read what makes me Do a Happy Dance in Post #8

CA Fed Sen Feinestein responds ---Hmmm?

Well, the like button still worked.

 

[lauragal]

Incorrect. At least on the Regulation front. Of that I'm certain. Most the regulations that your talking about of course, are stuff like anti trust legislation, which if they were in force we probably wouldn't be having conversation right now. You got a small chance to change the regs with Hillary, the problem is, she just doesnt have enough cows in the barn to produce the milk.



You 0 chance of overturning the REGS if Trump is President,IMO. To trust Donald Trump to support the Ecig lobby, is like trying to appoint the hangman as your sheriff.

You got a small chance of overturning, and stalling for 4 years if Hillary is President.

Its about all the displaced people in business. People forget, Hillary is a conservative Democrat. Shes also a person who has compassion. Don't believe all the Hillary's a crook- headlines, that just means she is doing something right and they dont want her.

What your witnessing here is history in the making. It's American Revisionism at its most diabolical hour. Never before has an agency tried to displace 1,000's of business's, some of which have life investments involved, under the bogus banner of public health. How the hell this country can run around preaching freedoms around the world when doing this is beyond road burn. When we were kids we used laugh when some Communist called America "Imperialists." This is imperialism, Ronald Reagan's ghost is in your living room, and now you finally met him. Corporations run everything, from Corporate Doctors to what you can and cant put in your body. Reagan is the one who did it. He got rid of anti-trust laws, and rendered unions obsolete. 30 years later Corporations run everything. Right down to clinics, in tiny towns in Northern Minnesota. Notice that everybody's helper, Barack Obama has done nothing. <<< He's bought and paid for too. People should have known that when Obama selected Joe Biden as his running mate, as if it was done out of some soul searching ideal.

But what do you get out of the Democrats or Republicans thats different? < Damn wake up, they are the same party. So its time to trust the Republicans uhuh? The Democrats are the saw blade, the Republicans the handle. John Edwards was probably the most honest politician to come along in 30 years, and look what they did to him. He's been disgraced, because he had decency in mind, and he wouldn't sell out to the Reagan agenda. The Reagan agenda, was Jack Kennedy's ideal, in the person of Joe Biden. Look it up for your selves in the history books, it was the Kennedy's who started slaughtering unions, and Reagan mowed the rest down. They wanted to become a dynasty, and they do think that they are.

It's been about 15 years since the Enron Scandal. There hasnt been a major corporate scandal since. What does that tell you, that there are no corporate sins? Nope, they are as corrupt as ever. They just got better at hiding it. Damage control. You cant get the SEC to publish a violation of corporate crimes to the news industry if Corporations are out trying to destroy you . <<< That much I know for certain. They dont want no panic in the stock market. You got Joe Biden to thank for that. There never was a piece of dirt, that Joe Biden didnt know how to hide in the name of the Republic. To a guy like Joe Biden, America is God. Dont believe what you read, believe what you know. There probably has been only two clean Presidents since Lyndon Johnson, that would be Jimmy Carter and maybe, George Bush SR, the old man, not the kid. And now when you got an honest one in front of you in Hillary, most people cant even recognize it.

But nobody listens to me. So I quit.

Go luck to you, your going to need it.

I find it rather nostalgic, that people who can be keen to vilify others, but certainly never themselves, when they themselves are placed in the fish barrel and the person starring back at them is now a villain, they simply refuse to acknowledge the mirror. And sure its not your mirror, but welcome to being, becoming and noticing what you ain't. It's not so bad really, you just have to learn to live with it. You see that is what you are now is a bunch of villains, wether you think so or not. And they are going to prove that to you, and make you eat it. The people amongst you that are the best, they will make them look the worst. Welcome to the America I live in. You aint the first ones, and you aint going to be the last. I think Jesus Christ had it right, "Judge not, lest you be judged." I mean, some of you do understand don't you? Some of you sound like counter revolutionaries. Wait till they put your mug on it, then smile for the camera.

BTW, thanks, ECF, I think I'll keep my 20 bucks.

Hey KENT, your the expert on these REGS. I would appreciate if you would start thread in the FDA section, to give us some answers on this stuff. I like to know specifically if you can give us an idea when we cant buy Nicotine at home anymore. Is it going to be 2 years or is it going to be 2 months? And all the other stuff. I'm not around much, but I always look for your comments on this stuff. And I do try and follow it, by reading yours and DC's take on all this. Sorry, buddy its not a paying job, but I appreciate your hard work. I noticed somebody also mentioned thats its possible after products are deemed tobacco products, UPS and USPS will not be able ship them. Is this factual? That would mean we got months not 2 years. And what about fasttech and Focalecig, surely they wont be registered to sell tobacco products, when will there shipments cease? I dont want to hit the panic button you know, but is there one? The interstate shipping of "tobacco products" probably could be the hangman so to speak?

There are really some oddities in all this:
1) That government would have waited so long to do this with thousands of businesses at risk and jobs at stake: shows the unbelievable callous & reckless, negligent nature of government.

The timing of this is particularly cruel, considering for over 2 years business's have been expanding.
2) That in a democracy law can be enacted without so much as one single elected official making the law.
3) Criminalizing businesses that are going concerns, is a bit shocking. It's not like prohibition where the moral sentiment against the alcohol industry was apparent.
4) That the FDA will cause more injuries to people then protect safety seems to be a given. (Not even counting the science arguments about the safety of vaping.) People who cant afford quality vape mods, will purchase low quality street ware which are inadequately designed.


"Oh dance in the dark of night, Sing to the morning light." - Sandy Denny

Wow. I have no words.

 

[Bronze]

See? The comment speaks for itself ^^^^

 

[HazyShades]

Hillary is a conservative Democrat. Shes also a person who has compassion.

That's not only silly it is totally misinformed...especially the compassion part.
The woman is a power crazy liar who let a lot of people die in Benghazi
and has publicly said what amounts to "Let them eat cake".
How people believe her "It Takes a Village" BS and don't see
where she's going with it beats me.
Even my liberal Democrat friends and acquaintances are distancing
themselves from both Mr Soetoro and Mrs Clinton.

...like the grumpy old man said above..what he said

 

[Myrany]

See? The comment speaks for itself ^^^^

I had to have my hubby read it. I really wasn't sure what I was reading...or maybe just not believing I was reading it. Not sure which.

 

[The Ocelot]

"In commenting on the rule, the FDA conceded that tobacco products are “unsafe” as that term is generally understood, but concluded that banning tobacco products was not a realistic option because the health care system would be overwhelmed by more than 40 million nicotine addicts seeking assistance for withdrawal symptoms. Moreover, the agency argued, banning cigarettes would create an enormous black market, which might lead to the use of unregulated and potentially even more harmful products."

Google Translate:

But they know that everyone says: " It is dangerous, but the list of measures of nicotine in accordance with the law, it is very easy to remember the 40 signs of medicinal products for sale on the black market to easily identify the sector's system of certification of the suspect's home drugs. Hawaii may ban.

 

[The Ocelot]

I bet he was a herding dog (i.e. border collie) or a mix of such.

Kelpie. I love herding dogs! I'm "dog light" at the moment, down to just one border collie.

 

[coldgin96]

I am 49 years old and have only missed one local vote they snuck past (3rd times the charm) the public to get their millage passed that kept failing by 5 votes. My ex-wife and I were two of those NO votes.

My point is, in all my life I have voted for only one Republican (Romney) and that was because a Libertarian was not on the ballot for President and I could not vote for Obama. I think in all my votes, I did vote for two Democrats, Dukakis and Kerry. Dukakis was because I thought the Supreme Court leaned to far to the right (now I'm afraid it might lean to far to the left if Hillary is elected) and I voted for Kerry because I thought Bush Jr. was the worst president ever.

Why am I telling you all of this? To point out I am by no means a Republican. Democrats do accuse me of being a Republican but Republicans accuse me of being a Democrat. I am right down the stinking middle. In fact, I like to call myself a, "radical moderate."

But given the fact the FDA has turned me into a one issue voter, there is to much at stake here and to do what I can to try to keep vaping as close as I do now, I am going to sell my soul and vote Republican. God help me.

 

[Katdarling]

You got a small chance of overturning, and stalling for 4 years if Hillary is President.

Its about all the displaced people in business. People forget, Hillary is a conservative Democrat. Shes also a person who has compassion. Don't believe all the Hillary's a crook- headlines, that just means she is doing something right and they dont want her.

And now when you got an honest one in front of you in Hillary, most people cant even recognize it.

Pardone moi, did you just say "honest"?

 

[Lessifer]

"The FDA provided pages of data and scientific studies in support of its plan, noting "a dramatic rise in youth and young adult use of typically flavored tobacco products, like e-cigarettes and waterpipe tobacco, and continued youth and young adult use of cigars."

Is it just me or is "young adult" the new FDA buzzword? I sure have been seeing this a lot lately.

They're not content with protecting the "children," now legal adults, those 18-20, need to be protected as well.

 

[HazyShades]

I am going to sell my soul and vote Republican. God help me.

I feel pretty much as you. I lean to the left a little
I lean to the right a lot. I'm registered as Republican 'cause when I registered
Reagan was prez and I figured registering as a Republican might cover
some of my radical past from college.
I've had FBI try to recruit me as a snitch
and was editor of a newspaper listed as a radical organization or publication by
Liberation News Service..Had my name on all the wrong mailing lists
'cause as a young journalist I had to..Young Socialist Alliance, SDS,
Student Committee to End the War in Vietnam, VVAW. ETC...

so blending in was a wise move...
but I've become much more conservative as I've aged..
Look, Trump is a sociopath..but a businessman and major capitalist.
He's the best bet as far as vaping because, in my humble opinion
he would not want to see the industry fail..rather he would want to profit from the industry.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[Bronze]

I had to have my hubby read it. I really wasn't sure what I was reading...or maybe just not believing I was reading it. Not sure which.

I was standing on the 9th fairway just after locating my ball. My buddy was behind me and he took a shot not realizing I was standing 100 yards in front of him staring off to the side. He hit a screaming line drive that leveled out at 5'7"...exactly the same height as my eye balls. The Titleist went no more than 1" in front of my face at 10,000 MPH. My eyes were open, but I didn't see anything. The wind was blowing but I couldn't feel it. Lawn mowers were cutting grass but I couldn't hear it. I had a cigarette in my mouth but couldn't taste it. The grass was freshly cut but I couldn't smell it. I was frozen in place for about 20 seconds unable to be human for I couldn't grasp what had just happened and how close I came to (you know). I got the same feeling when reading that post.

 

[Katya]

And now when you got an honest one in front of you in Hillary, most people cant even recognize it.

I'm speechless. Honestly. Just speechless.

 

[HazyShades]

Pardone moi, did you just say "honest"?

LOL..really makes you wanna speak French doesn't it..

 

[HazyShades]

I'm speechless. Honestly. Just speechless.

There are lots of people running around with their eyes closed who
only care about the next football/soccer game or soap opera.

I run into many leftists who I direct to what happened first in Cuba then Venezuela.
Many prefer to believe the honest and for the people myth.

 

[Katdarling]

I was standing on the 9th fairway just after locating my ball. My buddy was behind me and he took a shot not realizing I was standing 100 yards in front of him staring off to the side. He hit a screaming line drive that leveled out at 5'7"...exactly the same height as my eye balls. The Titleist went no more than 1" in front of my face at 10,000 MPH. My eyes were open, but I didn't see anything. The wind was blowing but I couldn't feel it. Lawn mowers were cutting grass but I couldn't hear it. I had a cigarette in my mouth but couldn't taste it. The grass was freshly cut but I couldn't smell it. I was frozen in place for about 20 seconds unable to be human for I couldn't grasp what had just happened and how close I came to (you know). I got the same feeling when reading that post.

DAYUM! You're funny on Wednesdays!

LOL..really makes you wanna speak French doesn't it..

All with the hopes that Ms. Celot will put it thru her multi-translator and it will come out the other side in some sort of sensible English....

 

[coldgin96]

Yeah, I actually agreed with most of what that sky4it posted, but when he referred to Hillary as, "honest," that's when my eyes glazed over like a cop on doughnuts.

 

[Lessifer]

Y'all are going to force them to scrub the thread again. For all the "speechless" and "no comment" posts, there seem to be a lot of comments.

 

[HazyShades]

some sort of sensible English....

VERY sensible...

 

[LoriP1702]

Pardone moi, did you just say "honest"?

..."honest", that's the word that was used...

I seriously can't even comment on that post, I'd really like the 3.5 minutes in my life back that it took to read through that...that...

...um, yeah. I've got nothing.