Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[HazyShades]

To find God?

The hippie went to Mardi Gras in back of "Walter's" pick-up truck with Texas plates
in 1973 and had a major epiphany right after a Mardi-Gras plastic dobloon
fell at his feet
inscribed with the familiar praying hands logo and the content of John 3:16
so he had already found or had been found by God..
The hippie crossed the road to hitch a ride with God's public relations man.

 

[coldgin96]

I feel pretty much as you. I lean to the left a little
I lean to the right a lot. I'm registered as Republican 'cause when I registered
Reagan was prez and I figured registering as a Republican might cover
some of my radical past from college.
I've had FBI try to recruit me as a snitch
and was editor of a newspaper listed as a radical organization or publication by
Liberation News Service..Had my name on all the wrong mailing lists
'cause as a young journalist I had to..Young Socialist Alliance, SDS,
Student Committee to End the War in Vietnam, VVAW. ETC...

so blending in was a wise move...
but I've become much more conservative as I've aged..
Look, Trump is a sociopath..but a businessman and major capitalist.
He's the best bet as far as vaping because, in my humble opinion
he would not want to see the industry fail..rather he would want to profit from the industry.

Regards,
Hazy

Yeah, I'm a member of a Union. In fact, I was steward for two terms. My fellow workers wanted me to run another term but I took the George Washington way out. I support Unions.
I'm also a Lifetime Member of the NRA, so what's a guy to do?
I used to say, "Show me a Republican that supports Unions, they have my vote. Show me a Democrat that supports firearms, they have my vote."
That's really a over simplified view of my politics.
I support the United States Constitution and The Declaration Of Independence.
I was to young to vote for Reagan. I missed the vote for his second term by 26 daze. My 18th birthday was 30Nov that year. I thought I was Republican. I was to young to know better.

When I was 13 years old, my Dad was a Union steward and a member of the NRA. I remember driving down the street and he says to me, "I don't know what to do. The Union wants me to vote for Mondale but the NRA wants me to vote for Reagan." I replied, "I guess you have to decided which is more important to you, your job or your guns." He voted for Reagan...

 

[ENAUD]

Well, they could just tax the crap out of vaping like they do everything else to make up for the loss. Much better option than killing millions of people IMHO.

They are definitely not killing vaping, they even say so repeatedly. With a big lie a little truth makes it all believable. They are strait up hijacking the entire industry, wrapping it up in a box, and handing it to Big tobacco. Distribution chain intact...check. Taxation scheme in place and ready to roll..check.

 

[The Ocelot]

Time for another entertainment break to chill everyone out...

 

[HazyShades]

Yeah, I'm a member of a Union. In fact, I was steward for two terms. My fellow workers wanted me to run another term but I took the George Washington way out. I support Unions.
I'm also a Lifetime Member of the NRA, so what's a guy to do?
I used to say, "Show me a Republican that supports Unions, they have my vote. Show me a Democrat that supports firearms, they have my vote."
That's really a over simplified view of my politics.
I support the United States Constitution and The Declaration Of Independence.
I was to young to vote for Reagan. I missed the vote for his second term by 26 daze. My 18th birthday was 30Nov that year. I thought I was Republican. I was to young to know better.

When I was 13 years old, my Dad was a Union steward and a member of the NRA. I remember driving down the street and he says to me, "I don't know what to do. The Union wants me to vote for Mondale but the NRA wants me to vote for Reagan." I replied, "I guess you have to decided which is more important to you, your job or your guns." He voted for Reagan...

Your dad was an American.
Collective bargaining in large industries is a necessity or the corporate entity would rape the workers. It's the nature of the capitalist beast to avoid costs
and make the most profit.
On the other hand if the population isn't armed
the capitalist beast can turn into a fascist capitalist beast.
It works the same if the beast becomes a socialist beast...

America and the American ideal is about individual freedom
and liberty to amass property and prosper as an individual.
The above is the nature represented by the NRA, it's not about gun freaks like some say, it's about freedom and the basis on which the American system is founded.

I don't believe our US Constitution is just an old piece of paper,
those dudes knew their stuff. So I will vote for and support whomever
believes in and supports the values enumerated in the Constitution and Declaration
of Independence..and the Gosh darned Magna Carta too!

Ok...of the soap box..didn't mean to lecture...yea, your dad was right.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[Train2]

Except they won't GET the industry that way, because the products suck.
They'll get a chunk of it - people who are "ok" with prefilled cartridges that cost as much to use as they were spending on cigs (THAT is the whole POINT of this). But a LOT of vapers will go online to ask "why does this suck?" and they'll find us, and we'll tell them where to buy actual vaping gear.

Then they'll figure out they can't stop online hardware or black market juice, so they'll go after the nic.

They'll get their $, but vaping, hopefully, will survive it.

STILL, we need to keep trying to kill the regs in the first place - if nothing else, for those millions of people who WON'T find real vaping, and will keep smoking - because it's easy - and will die from it.

They are definitely not killing vaping, they even say so repeatedly. With a big lie a little truth makes it all believable. They are strait up hijacking the entire industry, wrapping it up in a box, and handing it to Big tobacco. Distribution chain intact...check. Taxation scheme in place and ready to roll..check.

 

[HazyShades]

Time for another entertainment break to chill everyone out...

chill you say...I was able to deal with half of it and now have a terrible headache from the subliminals. They wrote "set escapist" which means nothing, but sado-escapist does and is twisted-weird.

 

[The Ocelot]

chill you say...I was able to deal with half of it and now have a terrible headache from the subliminals. They wrote "set escapist" which means nothing, but sado-escapist does and is twisted-weird.

Blame Google Translate. It sometimes weirdly translates a word or phrase then won't let go of it, carrying it over to further language translations; like "Selfportraits" in the last FDA response I was translating. That isn't a word, so it wouldn't translate or go away.

ETA:

He said, in the morning
Call now twenty pride,
Cut the dangers of war and the stars.
Cover, and, like them, a large, look at the wall?
High sky red can last
The night of the future and of course
No one else would dare to give birth to a child at home?

 

[ENAUD]

Except they won't GET the industry that way, because the products suck.
They'll get a chunk of it - people who are "ok" with prefilled cartridges that cost as much to use as they were spending on cigs (THAT is the whole POINT of this). But a LOT of vapers will go online to ask "why does this suck?" and they'll find us, and we'll tell them where to buy actual vaping gear.

Then they'll figure out they can't stop online hardware or black market juice, so they'll go after the nic.

They'll get their $, but vaping, hopefully, will survive it.

STILL, we need to keep trying to kill the regs in the first place - if nothing else, for those millions of people who WON'T find real vaping, and will keep smoking - because it's easy - and will die from it.

I agree 100%. They are going to fail. The black market will thrive, and millions of vapers are going to totally disillusioned with the government. The net impact will be devastating in the end. BT had a chance to up their game all along, they chose not to. They chose the road of high profit low quality vape products because they really don't care. Vaping is a revolution that came from a grass roots of individuals experimenting and hacking things together to get a better vape. There are a lot of lathes and milling machines out there in the hands of skilled craftsmen, some of them will keep on making mods, and getting creative with how they market them. There are thousands of mixers of e-juice out there and a lot of them are stockpiling nicotine, not all of those are doing so to just get by, , I'm all for a healthy black market, I say bring it on. Imagine walking into a back roads convinience store and saying the magic words, and a bottle of e-juice appears from under the counter, sure it's going to cost 30$ for 10 mls, what do you care if it's good and that is all that's available. Whack a mole only goes so far to stem the tide, there's going to be a lot of quick cash made by the more adventurous hoarders...

 

[bnrkwest]

I don't want to get political, just bringing us back to the original idea. America is an experiment, an idea, a free nation where all are welcome and all are equal. How does that really work for all of us? Someone somewhere sometime feels infringed upon and rights taken away for one reason or another. Does not matter what party either. If it isn't woman's rights, gun rights, corporation rights, worker rights, smokers rights or now vaping rights, At sometime everyone in America according to their beliefs, needs, desires and wants, will be infringed upon because of some other groups beliefs. We as vapers are feeling that now. This is the American experiment/experience. There is always a pro group and an anti group to everything. On this front we are all part of the pro group. So onward we go to fight for our rights. This is just so American, it is how we do things here I like hearing all the passion people have to save our industry and our right to vape what we want, when we want without FDA approval. keep up the fight

 

[ENAUD]

Time for another entertainment break to chill everyone out...

Thanks TO, I feel like I am about to pop a gasket these days...

 

[Lessifer]

Well, they could just tax the crap out of vaping like they do everything else to make up for the loss. Much better option than killing millions of people IMHO.

As has been said, that is step two of the plan, after all, taxes "discourage use(yeah right)." In order to tax vaping though, they need it scaled back to easily trackable and easily taxable packages.

 

[coldgin96]

Your dad was an American.
Collective bargaining in large industries is a necessity or the corporate entity would rape the workers. It's the nature of the capitalist beast to avoid costs
and make the most profit.
On the other hand if the population isn't armed
the capitalist beast can turn into a fascist capitalist beast.
It works the same if the beast becomes a socialist beast...

America and the American ideal is about individual freedom
and liberty to amass property and prosper as an individual.
The above is the nature represented by the NRA, it's not about gun freaks like some say, it's about freedom and the basis on which the American system is founded.

I don't believe our US Constitution is just an old piece of paper,
those dudes knew their stuff. So I will vote for and support whomever
believes in and supports the values enumerated in the Constitution and Declaration
of Independence..and the Gosh darned Magna Carta too!

Ok...of the soap box..didn't mean to lecture...yea, your dad was right.

Regards,
Hazy

Well put!
Thank you! My Dad is still a American. He was only 20 when I was born. My Mom was 17. Good thing abortion was illegal in 1966. Yes, he married her in June of that year and I was born in November.
I'm the Pro-life poster child, so is my OLDER half-brother...

 

[salemgold]

As has been said, that is step two of the plan, after all, taxes "discourage use(yeah right)." In order to tax vaping though, they need it scaled back to easily trackable and easily taxable packages.

No. I said instead of killing millions of people. The way that they are going about things, many people will die needlessly and their blood will be on the hands of the FDA/BP/BT. They could leave the products that actually work on the market, tax the bejeebus out of them, recoup some of the lost revenue and more people would survive is what I am saying.

I know that I am preaching to the choir. It just can't all be about lost revenue.

 

[lauragal]

I agree 100%. They are going to fail. The black market will thrive, and millions of vapers are going to totally disillusioned with the government. The net impact will be devastating in the end. BT had a chance to up their game all along, they chose not to. They chose the road of high profit low quality vape products because they really don't care. Vaping is a revolution that came from a grass roots of individuals experimenting and hacking things together to get a better vape. There are a lot of lathes and milling machines out there in the hands of skilled craftsmen, some of them will keep on making mods, and getting creative with how they market them. There are thousands of mixers of e-juice out there and a lot of them are stockpiling nicotine, not all of those are doing so to just get by, , I'm all for a healthy black market, I say bring it on. Imagine walking into a back roads convinience store and saying the magic words, and a bottle of e-juice appears from under the counter, sure it's going to cost 30$ for 10 mls, what do you care if it's good and that is all that's available. Whack a mole only goes so far to stem the tide, there's going to be a lot of quick cash made by the more adventurous hoarders...

The only problem I would have with this is paying $30 for 10 mls of stuff that tastes like garbage. I can't tell you how many bottles and bottles of juice I've bought over the past 4 years, only to eventually end up in the trash. I really only need two or three good flavors - I just don't want to spend a bazillion dollars trying to find them after 8/8. So DIY it will have to be.

 

[lauragal]

No. I said instead of killing millions of people. The way that they are going about things, many people will die needlessly and their blood will be on the hands of the FDA/BP/BT. They could leave the products that actually work on the market, tax the bejeebus out of them, recoup some of the lost revenue and more people would survive is what I am saying.

I know that I am preaching to the choir. It just can't all be about lost revenue.

I think government, FDA, BT and BP etc. has gotten to the point today that greed far outweighs good conscience. If any of them were concerned with people's lives, cigarettes would be illegal as well as a myriad of different medications. I think it is all about lost revenue and loss of control.

 

[ENAUD]

It just can't all be about lost revenue.

Why not? Is there a better explanation?
Government is a self serving entity in the end, with no soul or empathy for the singularity.

 

[Yiana]

The only problem I would have with this is paying $30 for 10 mls of stuff that tastes like garbage. I can't tell you how many bottles and bottles of juice I've bought over the past 4 years, only to eventually end up in the trash. I really only need two or three good flavors - I just don't want to spend a bazillion dollars trying to find them after 8/8. So DIY it will have to be.

You'll be happier with DIY for sure. I started doing it 8-9 months ago when I heard about the regs. I love what I make more than what I bought premade and it is so cheap.

 

[salemgold]

I think government, FDA, BT and BP etc. has gotten to the point today that greed far outweighs good conscience. If any of them were concerned with people's lives, cigarettes would be illegal as well as a myriad of different medications. I think it is all about lost revenue and loss of control.

I have no doubt that they don't care about the lives of the public or anyone else. It is all about greed. They still could have recouped tax money for the government without costing so many lives. I think that they are holding a grudge from round 1 and yes, it is more about the power that they hold over us.

 

[lauragal]

You'll be happier with DIY for sure. I started doing it 8-9 months ago when I heard about the regs. I love what I make more than what I bought premade and it is so cheap.

I hope you're right - tried it about 3 1/2 years ago and it was a major fail - couldn't make anything I liked. Now I have to scramble to find/buy flavoring that I THINK I will like but not really knowing right away. I think there's a big learning curve to get it right