Had it backwards, it's supposedly in the html5 player, not the flash player. Try using VLC and opening the video as a stream, then do whatever you want to it?
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Had it backwards, it's supposedly in the html5 player, not the flash player. Try using VLC and opening the video as a stream, then do whatever you want to it?
Meh, I don't CARE what their intent is. If they're not informing customers, they need to be. If they don't know what's going on, they should. If they know and they still aren't informing customers, they don't deserve my business. Others are of course free to spend money wherever they feel it is appropriate.
You should visit one, although I wouldn't suggest you telling them you know what's best for them - there's enough of that going around already
You might inform them of the situation but that's different :- )You should visit one, although I wouldn't suggest you telling them you know what's best for them - there's enough of that going around already
I have an aversion to people and the mall kiosks cured my desire to ever go to a vape shop.
Also, malls cured my desire to ever go to a mall.
Caught the last 15 minutes of
Forgot it was today
Needless to say, I likely missed anything of importance. I was happily surprised to hear Aaron exclaiming, We are not interest in selling T-shirts and not in the business to do so.(others are helping with that as a Life Saving Promo) If you don't have much, We do not want it, we want your Drive and your Passion for what you have come to believe in!(not an exact quote)
When asked about any Threats to him, he seemed genuinely concerned, stating he Felt the Big players would likely consider such unwise as those actions tend to stir motivational Drive from opposition. Though, people have been killed for taking a stand.
He ended that convo with - If I turn up dead, I did not kill myself. If something happened, at least I know I have attempted to do something good.
Forgot it was today
Needless to say, I likely missed anything of importance. I was happily surprised to hear Aaron exclaiming, We are not interest in selling T-shirts and not in the business to do so.(others are helping with that as a Life Saving Promo) If you don't have much, We do not want it, we want your Drive and your Passion for what you have come to believe in!(not an exact quote)
When asked about any Threats to him, he seemed genuinely concerned, stating he Felt the Big players would likely consider such unwise as those actions tend to stir motivational Drive from opposition. Though, people have been killed for taking a stand.
He ended that convo with - If I turn up dead, I did not kill myself. If something happened, at least I know I have attempted to do something good.
I believe I've been to five in my immediate area, each time was simply to support a local business, not because I needed to buy anything there. In the past year I've been to three of those again, and have engaged with them about the regulations. One was actively involved, the other two didn't see the need. I didn't see the need to buy anything those two trips.
See, my evil plan came to fruition - I get you into vaping, you go out and talk to people, I stay at home. I did all that from 2000+ miles away.
@Lessifer @Kent C
I can see both sides of this.
From my viewpoint over looking the Mississippi River Valley up here
on the Eastside of Saint Paul things are not looking very optimistic
if I am to expect a lot of guidance from the B$M's here.
Of the four stores I had asked about their plans for the released regs,
three said we are looking in to it,one said quite frankly and the most
honestly I believe, he just didn't know. He was overwhelmed and stunned.
This from a young man who's family has been in the tobacco store business
for as long as he could remember. Their stores all have a good assortment
of everything e-cig from cigalikes to the newest box and tube mods although
they have dropped anything unregulated.(can't say I blame them.)
So what does this have to do with advocacy? It's hard to explain but I'll
try. Basically if you open up a store front here in Minnesota you automaticcaly
have a new business partner whether their name is on the paper work or not.
.Gov et al.
So lets open our new B&M here in Saint Paul. First off stay away from the downtown
area district if you can as it has an added sales tax assessment. Now you have just
the cities fire,health and safety inspectors and all the licences they require.
Then there's the city and state licenses and requirements. Now there's city and state
(+county) property tax and assessments. Then there are additional county requirements
in between the city and state requirements. State sales tax. Workmans comp and unemployment.
You hope Saint Pauls planning and development or the Port Authority doesn't take a liking
to your location because that means your outa' there and the powers that be are going
to make big bucks off your property once they pay you fair market value that will triple
once your gone. Then there is the loose cannon,The Metropolitan Council our seven
county metro area non elected bunch of money grabbers. Lord knows what they'll be
up to to next. Being we are in the tobacco business now or have been if we also actually
sell real tobacco we have all the federal requirements to meet. But wait there's more.
Getting back to the young man I mentioned. He of all people knows what he's up against.
He has dealt with the government at all levels and knows what the government wants,the
government gets. Ticking off anyone in government at any level is like throwing rocks
at the hornets nest. A whole lot of angry hornets will decide to make your store front
their new favorite hang out. They wont like anything they see. They'll pull regulations
that have been buried so deep they hadn't seen the light of day since the whiskey
rebellion. I can understand why I don't see any advocacy materials in the stores or
from behind their counters. The store at the other end of the parking lot may be a health
food co-op. The one at the other end may an animal shelter. The one next store on either
side might be a CVS or a convenience store who's smokers switched to vaping. One must
stay mindful of their neighbors sensitivities. The only thing that could be worse is if you
own a bar.
Now I am am sure all these stores are working behind the scenes in their own way
very quietly. I do know that they know they are between a rock and a hard place
with a hornets nest sitting right above them. Turning their stores in to advocacy centers
may not be in their long term interests. Considering from what I have read in some posts
here some of their customers may be their worst enemies. Waiting for this all to shake out
to see what pieces remain may be the only realistic avenue of approach they have.
At least the stores that were already selling tobacco have a built in fall back position.
In Uber Liberal Minnesota I don't believe political activism mixed with commercial
activities will go over very well unless ones motives are politically aligned with the
powers that be. That's ok with me.
Regards
Mike
I can see both sides of this.
From my viewpoint over looking the Mississippi River Valley up here
on the Eastside of Saint Paul things are not looking very optimistic
if I am to expect a lot of guidance from the B$M's here.
Of the four stores I had asked about their plans for the released regs,
three said we are looking in to it,one said quite frankly and the most
honestly I believe, he just didn't know. He was overwhelmed and stunned.
This from a young man who's family has been in the tobacco store business
for as long as he could remember. Their stores all have a good assortment
of everything e-cig from cigalikes to the newest box and tube mods although
they have dropped anything unregulated.(can't say I blame them.)
So what does this have to do with advocacy? It's hard to explain but I'll
try. Basically if you open up a store front here in Minnesota you automaticcaly
have a new business partner whether their name is on the paper work or not.
.Gov et al.
So lets open our new B&M here in Saint Paul. First off stay away from the downtown
area district if you can as it has an added sales tax assessment. Now you have just
the cities fire,health and safety inspectors and all the licences they require.
Then there's the city and state licenses and requirements. Now there's city and state
(+county) property tax and assessments. Then there are additional county requirements
in between the city and state requirements. State sales tax. Workmans comp and unemployment.
You hope Saint Pauls planning and development or the Port Authority doesn't take a liking
to your location because that means your outa' there and the powers that be are going
to make big bucks off your property once they pay you fair market value that will triple
once your gone. Then there is the loose cannon,The Metropolitan Council our seven
county metro area non elected bunch of money grabbers. Lord knows what they'll be
up to to next. Being we are in the tobacco business now or have been if we also actually
sell real tobacco we have all the federal requirements to meet. But wait there's more.
Getting back to the young man I mentioned. He of all people knows what he's up against.
He has dealt with the government at all levels and knows what the government wants,the
government gets. Ticking off anyone in government at any level is like throwing rocks
at the hornets nest. A whole lot of angry hornets will decide to make your store front
their new favorite hang out. They wont like anything they see. They'll pull regulations
that have been buried so deep they hadn't seen the light of day since the whiskey
rebellion. I can understand why I don't see any advocacy materials in the stores or
from behind their counters. The store at the other end of the parking lot may be a health
food co-op. The one at the other end may an animal shelter. The one next store on either
side might be a CVS or a convenience store who's smokers switched to vaping. One must
stay mindful of their neighbors sensitivities. The only thing that could be worse is if you
own a bar.
Now I am am sure all these stores are working behind the scenes in their own way
very quietly. I do know that they know they are between a rock and a hard place
with a hornets nest sitting right above them. Turning their stores in to advocacy centers
may not be in their long term interests. Considering from what I have read in some posts
here some of their customers may be their worst enemies. Waiting for this all to shake out
to see what pieces remain may be the only realistic avenue of approach they have.
At least the stores that were already selling tobacco have a built in fall back position.
In Uber Liberal Minnesota I don't believe political activism mixed with commercial
activities will go over very well unless ones motives are politically aligned with the
powers that be. That's ok with me.
Regards
Mike
Absolutely.
And I like to restrict the amount of Floating Variables used whenever I can.
I'll take your word for it on the business climate in that area. I'll just say that promoting consumer advocacy doesn't have to be political, at least it doesn't have to be party related, even if some think it does. As a shop, you also don't have to "promote" anything, you can make people aware of what is happening and steer them towards consumer advocacy groups.@Lessifer @Kent C
I can see both sides of this.
From my viewpoint over looking the Mississippi River Valley up here
on the Eastside of Saint Paul things are not looking very optimistic
if I am to expect a lot of guidance from the B$M's here.
Of the four stores I had asked about their plans for the released regs,
three said we are looking in to it,one said quite frankly and the most
honestly I believe, he just didn't know. He was overwhelmed and stunned.
This from a young man who's family has been in the tobacco store business
for as long as he could remember. Their stores all have a good assortment
of everything e-cig from cigalikes to the newest box and tube mods although
they have dropped anything unregulated.(can't say I blame them.)
So what does this have to do with advocacy? It's hard to explain but I'll
try. Basically if you open up a store front here in Minnesota you automaticcaly
have a new business partner whether their name is on the paper work or not.
.Gov et al.
So lets open our new B&M here in Saint Paul. First off stay away from the downtown
area district if you can as it has an added sales tax assessment. Now you have just
the cities fire,health and safety inspectors and all the licences they require.
Then there's the city and state licenses and requirements. Now there's city and state
(+county) property tax and assessments. Then there are additional county requirements
in between the city and state requirements. State sales tax. Workmans comp and unemployment.
You hope Saint Pauls planning and development or the Port Authority doesn't take a liking
to your location because that means your outa' there and the powers that be are going
to make big bucks off your property once they pay you fair market value that will triple
once your gone. Then there is the loose cannon,The Metropolitan Council our seven
county metro area non elected bunch of money grabbers. Lord knows what they'll be
up to to next. Being we are in the tobacco business now or have been if we also actually
sell real tobacco we have all the federal requirements to meet. But wait there's more.
Getting back to the young man I mentioned. He of all people knows what he's up against.
He has dealt with the government at all levels and knows what the government wants,the
government gets. Ticking off anyone in government at any level is like throwing rocks
at the hornets nest. A whole lot of angry hornets will decide to make your store front
their new favorite hang out. They wont like anything they see. They'll pull regulations
that have been buried so deep they hadn't seen the light of day since the whiskey
rebellion. I can understand why I don't see any advocacy materials in the stores or
from behind their counters. The store at the other end of the parking lot may be a health
food co-op. The one at the other end may an animal shelter. The one next store on either
side might be a CVS or a convenience store who's smokers switched to vaping. One must
stay mindful of their neighbors sensitivities. The only thing that could be worse is if you
own a bar.
Now I am am sure all these stores are working behind the scenes in their own way
very quietly. I do know that they know they are between a rock and a hard place
with a hornets nest sitting right above them. Turning their stores in to advocacy centers
may not be in their long term interests. Considering from what I have read in some posts
here some of their customers may be their worst enemies. Waiting for this all to shake out
to see what pieces remain may be the only realistic avenue of approach they have.
At least the stores that were already selling tobacco have a built in fall back position.
In Uber Liberal Minnesota I don't believe political activism mixed with commercial
activities will go over very well unless ones motives are politically aligned with the
powers that be. That's ok with me.
Regards
Mike
I have my own opinions about business involvement in CASAA but I recognize that for many it's the best and/or only source of information to them. It would be good if shops joined the trade organizations, at the very least to get business specific information, but that is a business decision.
I hate to be the one who's ...... on the excitement surrounding Senator Johnson (or distracting from the ...... contest this thread has descended into) but the senator is facing a very difficult re-election bid. He's currently a few points behind the long time ( I believe) poll he replaced. So he could very well could have to turn his attention to his re-election tasks and maybe not so much on the FDA.
Sorry, just gotta say it.
Sorry, just gotta say it.
Such is the life of an elected official in an election year
Listening to some of the extraordinarily Vulgar comments from Followers of his opponent.........a Little Sterilization of this country would not be a Negative thing.
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