Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[coldgin96]

California - worst state in the Union. IMHO...

 

[crxess]

California - worst state in the Union. IMHO...

Cali will be the First Country to Secede from the U.S.

 

[halonut]

Cali will be the First Country to Secede from the U.S.

and do so completely unopposed no less

hasta la vista Moon Beam, Boxer & Feinstein!

 

[mattiem]

It's only official if she likes you on Facebook.

That's OK. I didn't even get a Dear Friend letter from either of my US State Senators. BUT, I did get an email of support from my local congressman who, while not on the Ag committee, was aware of the issue and intended to support action to changes the current form of the regulations to protect jobs in the industry (I guess vapers dying from returning to cigs is a lower priority than those jobs, but whatever). So there's that.

I got an email from my congressman this morning letting me know that they are trying to pass something to pull folks out of poverty.....This was my response to him

Confused, angry and upset

It is wonderful that one branch of our government is trying to find ways to put people to work but is criminal that another part is in the process of killing jobs.

The FDA in its zeal for control are in fact killing the fast growing e-cigarette industry. By deeming something that is as far from tobacco as Earth is from Mars they are killing an industry that has the potential to save hundreds of thousands of lives. Instead of embracing something that can and does improve the health of those that have switched, they have chosen to demonize this life saving technology and with the stroke of a pen, wipe the industry out.
The anti-smoke zealots refuse to see that vapor is not smoke so in turn refuse to consider the fact that vaping is not smoking.
I am asking you to help us by lighting a fire under the bench sitters when it come to this matter.
Thank you in advance for helping us.

 

[crxess]

I got an email from my congressman this morning letting me know that they are trying to pass something to pull folks out of poverty.....This was my response to him

Confused, angry and upset

It is wonderful that one branch of our government is trying to find ways to put people to work but is criminal that another part is in the process of killing jobs.

The FDA in its zeal for control are in fact killing the fast growing e-cigarette industry. By deeming something that is as far from tobacco as Earth is from Mars they are killing an industry that has the potential to save hundreds of thousands of lives. Instead of embracing something that can and does improve the health of those that have switched, they have chosen to demonize this life saving technology and with the stroke of a pen, wipe the industry out.
The anti-smoke zealots refuse to see that vapor is not smoke so in turn refuse to consider the fact that vaping is not smoking.
I am asking you to help us by lighting a fire under the bench sitters when it come to this matter.
Thank you in advance for helping us.

Good!

 

[leftyandsparky]

What will happen to nude nicotine?

 

[Bronze]

Good news! I got a response from my senator! She will keep my views in mind as the Senate considers legislation on this or similar issues. WOOT!


"Dear Friend:

Thank you for taking the time to write and share your views with me. Your comments will help me continue to represent you and other Californians to the best of my ability. Be assured that I will keep your views in mind as the Senate considers legislation on this or similar issues.

If you would like additional information about my work in the U.S. Senate, I invite you to visit my website, www.boxer.senate.gov. From this site, you can send a message to me about current events or pending legislation, access my statements and press releases, request copies of legislation and government reports, and receive detailed information about the many services that I am privileged to provide for my constituents. You may also wish to visit www.congress.gov to track current and past federal legislation.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I appreciate hearing from you."

Call her Ma'am. That'll piss her off.

 

[halonut]

Call her Ma'am. That'll piss her off.

Don't call me "friend" and I won't call you "ma'am"

 

[crxess]

One Question:
Raising the Age limit is Based - once again - on a Meta Study. As stated in the Study, Raising the Age limit will <likely> curtail Teen smoking by 10-12%?.
Now in Math, Teen is any number from 13 to 19

So, my question is why is the Magic number always 21?

Is it the universal inverse of 12?
Is it an Odd number next Restriction?
Do governments go by 3's?
Some strange Core Math?


20 is not a Teen figure.................... {Well, some are}


I Vape
I Vote

 

[Pamawoman]

Okay, who is going to Get Oliver to make a Sticky thread to have Dr.JJ removed from the Hallmark Family channel?

Frequently Asked Questions | Hallmark Channel

Only link I could find with an email on Hallmark family Channel comments, after the FAQ page.

I sent my on this crazy and ended telling them I have banned the Channel in my home and Blocked from my cable system.

Home & Family page on Facebook.
Home & Family
tab down on the left for my comments........

Thank you. I also left them a little comment. You already said it all. Good job. Maybe if enough attacks happen they will retract or do a truthful segment about vaping.

 

[Pamawoman]

Wow! One of the worst TV pieces on vaping I've seen. Maybe even THE worst.

Dr. JJ, the pediatrition, is malpracticing on a mass level, and the couch potato media heads are attempting to dumb down all the way to the bottom to gain an edge on their dumb competition.

I wanted to bump this up for the weekenders. Please comment or dislike or ask for a retraction. Millions of ladies watch this show and will believe this nonsense. We need to get our comments out there. Who knows maybe the channel will have an unbiased truthful person on to help negate this horrible segment. Warning this will cause your blood pressure to sky rocket.

 

[Bronze]

This made me so mad I am literally shaking and my ears are burning from my blood pressure going up. These are the types of shows that just outright ignore science completely and then just lie whenever convenient. I couldn't comment on the video for some reason the comments wouldn't work but I def disliked it. We need to go and dislike this video. Such BS

People telling other people how to live their lives by hook or crook.

 

[bnrkwest]

You know what is interesting, people regulating a persons health by regulations on tobacco and e cigs are when in the health community no one can force treatment on another person even to save their life! Every person has the right to refuse medical treatment, I wonder why this hasn't applied to health laws?

 

[wiredlove]

One Question:
Raising the Age limit is Based - once again - on a Meta Study. As stated in the Study, Raising the Age limit will <likely> curtail Teen smoking by 10-12%?.
Now in Math, Teen is any number from 13 to 19

So, my question is why is the Magic number always 21?

Is it the universal inverse of 12?
Is it an Odd number next Restriction?
Do governments go by 3's?
Some strange Core Math?


20 is not a Teen figure.................... {Well, some are}


I Vape
I Vote

3s and 7s are magical numbers. Something to do with common law / knights. Blackjack is popular with lawmakers?

 

[Yiana]

It is .

No doubt in my mind that statistics ( and BT's revenue increases ) will show the link clearly. So let's make sure that everything that's being said and posted now is properly archived. Vapers reverting to smoking and suffering from health issues that recur after switching - document it.

Yes, the ANTZ will make up all sorts of lies again to explain that increase in smokers. They will even have the nerve to use it as an excuse to ask for even more funding. BT and BP won't mind. With their profits back to where they should be ( from their point of view ) , they got some crumbs to spare for their minions.

But a lawyer knocking on the FDA's door - representing a few dozen ex-vapers now smokers - asking for reimbursement of medical bills plus a few bucks punitive damages...

You see, it's all about money.
So, speak the language of the almighty buck to them:

If just one out of hundred vapers...(clacking away on pocket calculator)...
...

You know all those lawsuit commercials that constantly play on tv? I would love to see a class action lawsuit against the fda. Did you or a loved one go back to smoking cigarettes due to the fda making vaping unattainable? Have you gotten COPD, cancer, etc because you could not access vaping and turned back to smoking combustable tobacco? Call now for free consulation on this case. You deserve to get the money you deserve for the negligence and anti health policies of the fda.

 

[Yiana]

You know what the fda, big tobacco, and big pharma is doing? It is straight up collusion.

Collusion is an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage.

 

[halonut]

You know all those lawsuit commercials that constantly play on tv? I would love to see a class action lawsuit against the fda. Did you or a loved one go back to smoking cigarettes due to the fda making vaping unattainable? Have you gotten COPD, cancer, etc because you could not access vaping and turned back to smoking combustable tobacco? Call now for free consulation on this case. You deserve to get the money you deserve for the negligence and anti health policies of the fda.

LOL...the only peeps slimier than politicos are those guys (the sue everyone, ambulance chasing atty's that is).

"Do you or a loved one need a shower cause you've seen this commercial 5 times in the last hour? Call us we can help"

 

[crxess]

"Do you or a loved one need a shower cause you've seen this commercial 5 times in the last hour? Call us we can help"

 

[halonut]

The fact that there are no commercials from these wonderful attorneys, who care so deeply about the welfare of the common folks, recruiting sick vapers to sue manufacturers is a pretty strong indication of at least the short term effects (or lack thereof) of vapor inhalation.

freevapobook.com <---disclaimer...NOT a real link

 

[leftyandsparky]

I'm curious to see if that would work!